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Tbf his damage values are really high. Doesn't he get 45dmg from a side heavy? If he were to get a full blown rework that'd make him viable then the damage output should be lower imo.Originally Posted by allenhollow Go to original post
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Nobushi and aramusha are my top choices.
Nobushi is obviously in need. For some many reasons (despite her excellent position in high tier play via hs and ranged poking)
Cent is already confirmed.
Pk needs it but they messed with her (badly) but repeatedly lately.
Shinobi is the only truly effective 4v4 assassin right now. And i personally dont think he needs a nerf at all.
Aramusha
Devs: aramusha cant have a top light thats presictable at 400ms its too strong
Also devs: lawbringer has a 400ms combo top light AND an opener 400ms light
Devs: Aramusha is a master of dodging
Also devs: lets standardize and nerf aramusha dodges so they dont do anything special, and are in point of fact the worst dodges in the game.
Devs: aramusha is a mobile anti ganker
Also devs: also aramusha cant gb dodgers cause he moves so freaking slow in lock. Also lets make him the slowest character movement speed wise in lock.
Devs: lets give him a fast flurry combo that is the most predictable of soft feints and finishers via enforced specific sides
Also devs: lets make it so you can just back dodge his entire kit even tho that feint already has a 50% chance of being blocked or parried.
Devs: lets give him a full block counter
Also devs: lets make that fullblock less usefull than any other full block, unconfirmed counters, a useless bash with no follow up, and terrible recovery enforced on a whiff.
(Given ring the bell works well enough but is still to risky to usually go for at 15 dmg)
Aramusha is still fun to play, but his original identity is kinda ruined right now and doesnt work in the slightest against good players. Surprising opponents in anti ganks is the only moment he shines truly, otherwise every piece of his kit has another hero that implements it safer and better.
To quote the ubisoft website
"FIGHTING STYLE
Aramushas use their blades for offense and defense. They can move very carefully or dodge very quickly on the battlefield. They capitalize on the mistakes of their opponents to unleash a never ending flow of fast attack in every direction.
DIFFICULTY: HARD
COUNTER ATTACKER
FAST ATTACKER
Special Capabilities
INFINITE CHAINS
VERY GOOD SPECIAL BLOCK MOVE
VERY GOOD DODGES"
Good block move? Nope
Very good dodges? Nope
Infinite chains? Yeah actually
Counter attacker? Kinda???
Fast attacker? No 400ms so not by current standards
Edit:* sorry i had just comw from reading tons of reddit posts again complaining about him from a low skill level perspective and felt the need to spew again in a way.
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I think it should be Centurion and Aramusha with some damage buff for Orochi, PK and Valk in mid-season patch, three last at least had their rework and at least have something viable in 1v1/4v4. Why not Shinobi or Nobushi? Because Nobushi is the best midder and S-Tier hero in 4v4, Shinobi is the best ganker, especially after LB and Raider nerf, it will be the only one one-shot no revenge gank in game and he is S-Tier in 4v4 too.
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Kensei and nobu still have 600ms 12 damage light attacks seeing the changes to lawbringer and Raider i see no reason why not to increase the damage and speed of those.
Kensei and nobu also have low damage heaavy chain attacks (24 damage and 25 damage). just increase the damage same way they did with law/raider.
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40Originally Posted by rottmeister Go to original post
Outside of that his dmg are nothing special. Except his 50dmg zone attack but the 35dmg UB part never work.
But if his mix up and BB are improved yes it should be slighly reduced.
Among the pre Wulins these needs work :Originally Posted by UbiInsulin Go to original postIf you had to put together a top 3 of pre-Wu Lin heroes you'd like to receive changes, what would that be? I'll keep an eye out for your replies.
Please feel free to include your reasoning for your choices as well.
PK, Cent, Glad, WL, Nobu and Musha.
Please note that HL and Kensei side lights opener should be 500ms.
Valk needs some things too but this is not as urgent as the others on the list. But what she would need right now is a dmg buff. This is mandatory for her atm.
PK has been on the table 2 Times already and WL got a Nice buff recently (not enough but still), i would not put them in priority.
Musha have a serious offensive problem but still he does well in 4v4 and is a s4 heroe thats why i would not put him in the top 3 either (despite i have 19 reps.on him).
At the end my top 3 would be :
-Cent : he is really nothing outside of wallsplat atm.
-Nobu : 600ms lights, bad Dodge attack, HS feels too clunky to deal with a lot of new mix up etc
-Glad : worst guard of the game, bad target switch, 600ms lights, bash gurantee nothing.
Thats my opinion
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If you were a dev, what would you change about Aramusha? (This question is also aimed at other Aramusha players)Originally Posted by Vendelkin Go to original post
Imo you seem qualified to talk about it. You and Siegfried both have been talkative when it comes to Aramusha (and have shown emotion when someone has talked about a nerf or rework). I've seen your videos and I'd say you know what you're talking about.
The last 'real' buff Aramusha got was a damage buff across the board. Did this help? Or was it a 'bandaid' fix? What exactly does he need?
His damage is already on the higher end yet he's still perceived as not viable. How can we make him viable without making him OP?
imo it's pretty clear what the other heroes on the list need apart from Musha
(sorry for semi-hijacking the thread)
