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[Oddy._.]

Forward momentum doesn't sound like increased range, it sounds like he moves forward more after the swing, like the momentum from the swing drags him closer to his target. But how does Longarm still work in ganks when the moment someone lands an attack on the opponent he's off the longarm? That's something LB was already able to do, do a longarm, get a heavy. So now it's the same but worse because any teammate can come along and mess it up for you.

And I've been GBd out of shoves before, the shove does have a wind-up and it being slowed down makes me worry even more so.

[Arekonator]

Unless they changed it and not mentioned in the patch notes, long arm on hitstunned enemy just bumps him and bounces off.
At this point, they would do better to outright remove it, so you dont screw yourself by inputing it on accident.

[Knight_Raime]

Forward momentum doesn't sound like increased range, it sounds like he moves forward more after the swing, like the momentum from the swing drags him closer to his target. But how does Longarm still work in ganks when the moment someone lands an attack on the opponent he's off the longarm? That's something LB was already able to do, do a longarm, get a heavy. So now it's the same but worse because any teammate can come along and mess it up for you.

And I've been GBd out of shoves before, the shove does have a wind-up and it being slowed down makes me worry even more so.

Bruh. If he moves farther with his attack he's hitting farther than he used to. Not that difficult to understand.
As I said. Parry into impale into wall splat into long arm. You hit the person whos on either long arm or impale the moment the LB has released them.
And it's good that allies can mess you up. Long arm, impale, old goki hug, stampede were all brain dead CC options. Now people actually need to coordinate and time damage instead of spamming for easy kills.

You can be GBed out of anything barring bushi's kick as it factually has no GB vulnerability. Everything else does. It's not something you can do on reaction even with his neutral shove. And his shove mix up being brought from 300ms to 500ms doesn't really do anything drastic. It's about as reactable as shaolin's kick after getting into it from his heavy. Which is to say, not reactable.

Unless they changed it and not mentioned in the patch notes, long arm on hitstunned enemy just bumps him and bounces off.
At this point, they would do better to outright remove it, so you dont screw yourself by inputing it on accident.

Yes, if the person was currently being CCed by someone else while still under the effects of impale. If you wall splat someone they're not CC immune. parry into impale into wall splat into long arm has been possible for a long time and the go to method of using long arm in competitive matches. This isn't new knowledge and the changes made to LB do not change this possibility. All that has changed is that you can't use either tool in a team fight when people are mindlessly spamming attacks out. It also means you can't hit someone while the person is being carried away via impale. Which is good. Because impale/long arm/and stampede charge, and bullwark counter are the only cc moves in the game that do not apply damage reduction to the enemy being cced. So now you have to actually time your strong damage gank instead of getting it for free.

[Oddy._.]

Alright Raime easy with the insulting, not called for. Moving farther FORWARD with his attack does not constitute increased range. It means he himself has to move closer to his opponent to land something, the reach of his weapon didn't extend just him moving closer. That's not range increase, that's him moving closer. Not that difficult to understand.

[Arekonator]

I am aware how its been used, thanks, but issue is even hitstun from regular attack can sabotage your long arm.

[Knight_Raime]

Alright Raime easy with the insulting, not called for. Moving farther FORWARD with his attack does not constitute increased range. It means he himself has to move closer to his opponent to land something, the reach of his weapon didn't extend just him moving closer. That's not range increase, that's him moving closer. Not that difficult to understand.

That's splitting hairs. If LB moves farther with the attack the attacks effective range is longer than it used to be. The hit box of said weapon doesn't need to be increased to increase the range of something. That's one way of doing it but not the only way.

[Knight_Raime]

I am aware how its been used, thanks, but issue is even hitstun from regular attack can sabotage your long arm.

That's not an issue. That's a good thing. Lawbinger and raider are no longer spam cc moves. They have to be tactically used. If you have an issue with that then there's nothing else to talk about. We disagree fundemantly.

[Arekonator]

That's not an issue. That's a good thing. Lawbinger and raider are no longer spam cc moves. They have to be tactically used. If you have an issue with that then there's nothing else to talk about. We disagree fundemantly.

Long arm was used only in few specific circumstances as is. It was limited enough. I dont want to make it spammable like shugo hug is nowadays but i also dont want it useless. If you think that long arm was mindlessly spammable before, then we probably dont play the game in the same universe. Pretty much every other form of CC overrides normal hitstuns and since it now gets interupted on hit, maybe it could be considered to be brought in line in other aspects.

[Knight_Raime]

Long arm was used only in few specific circumstances as is. It was limited enough. I dont want to make it spammable like shugo hug is nowadays but i also dont want it useless. If you think that long arm was mindlessly spammable before, then we probably dont play the game in the same universe. Pretty much every other form of CC overrides normal hitstuns and since it now gets interupted on hit, maybe it could be considered to be brought in line in other aspects.

What I am trying to say is that no grapple based attack should be immune from outside influence. Even a situational cc tool like long arm.

And for the record I was upset that they did nothing to improve it. But I'm not going to say that it should have kept its immunity to outside influence.

[KSI_TheMadKing]

The move was garbage then its garbage now.