Single pick heros needs to happen | Forums

[Real_Doll]

Games been out long enough not to have this in the game. This game get so old playing against multiple raiders, cents, and shugs that just keep you stun locked for ever. Now it's to the point of just quiting constantly to avoid the head ache.

oh my god yes! I was thinking of this same thing while playing against a team of 4 black priors yesterday.

[Knight_Raime]

I totally despise the idea of single pick. If I would want to play my character in a match and they would rob me from the chance, I would totally quit. I can afford limited time playing, and if I want one of my Breach matches played as Black Prior, I will ****ing play Black Prior, even if I am one of the four. However, the only positive effect it adds is psychological advantage on the BPs side, I feel more motivated to play well if someone else picks my class.

Multiple of the same heroes is not the problem. The problem is with the heroes who are always picked by multiple players. Is it Orochi? No. Is it Nobushi? No. Is it Highlander? No. Is it Peacekeeper?No? Gladiator? Lol no. Warden? Not even Warden. Four of any of those wouldn't cause any problems for you (unless you are looking for an excuse for losing on purpose). The problem is with Lawbringers, Raiders, Hitokiris and Jian Jun (the latter was dropped after the raider and lawbringer buff however by those players who picked him for ez wins, they can take on his role and don't look like an ugly Santa at the same time). Lots of damage, no brainer wide attacks with good ganking potential, grenades (Lawbringer), broken Hyperarmor (Hitokiri), broken feats (pretty much all three), instakill potential on entering a groupfight (Stampede Charge, Spike).


By the way, remove the ****ing Stampede Charge. It's a stupid noskill move that secures almost everything in gank, there is nothing saving you from it. Every character would be broken with it, but of course the most hated, most noobfriendly character has it. With all the bs Raider has, this should be revoked, only a handful characters has similar moves, and they are all weaker.

You do realize they can easily solve your problem about "muh main" by having role/hero ques before you start searching for a match right?

[Goat_of_Vermund]

They can, but it might hurt matchmaking times. But my main point is, I don't think this is the problem, this is a symptom. It showcases how raider is broken (at least on casual levels), how hitokiri is broken and how lawbringer is broken (in 4v4). I have seen teams of four wardens or four orochis, there were nothing wrong with them, they were beaten easily, because they are not allrounders super effective for everything while being easy to use in team fights. And a Lawbringer, a Hitokiri, a Raider and let's say a Black Prior is not less oppressive as a team than four Raiders, the problem is with hero viability in 4v4.

[Hormly]

The real problem is balance, facing a team of 4 of the same hero wouldn't be an issue if the game was properly designed

[CRIMS0NM0NKEY]

They can, but it might hurt matchmaking times. But my main point is, I don't think this is the problem, this is a symptom. It showcases how raider is broken (at least on casual levels), how hitokiri is broken and how lawbringer is broken (in 4v4). I have seen teams of four wardens or four orochis, there were nothing wrong with them, they were beaten easily, because they are not allrounders super effective for everything while being easy to use in team fights. And a Lawbringer, a Hitokiri, a Raider and let's say a Black Prior is not less oppressive as a team than four Raiders, the problem is with hero viability in 4v4.

Knights inoculation of the problem and symptoms not factoring in the implications on matchmaking sounds like an irrelevant variable or a small price to (possibly) pay for a better overall experience. Though I agree with your assessment of the symptoms.