Solution is simple : bring back dedicated leaderboards like Trials Evolution had.
-One for the people who play the base game 124 tracks championship
-One for the people who play the extended currently 149 tracks version with DLCs.
Global and Global+DLC. Best of both worlds.
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I'm not happy with the state of things, but that's some serious hyperbole there. The tldr version of your complaint is that the leaderboards for total score aren't separated by game and dlc. Were they separated in Fusion? I don't think so, but I'd have to double check. This doesn't make the game "completely useless" nor "borderline illegal", and it certainly doesn't make the leaderboards "pay2win". Come on, tone down the exaggeration. You can still compete in and view the leaderboards of all the tracks you own, and if you like the game enough to be concerned about leaderboards why not spend the extra $8 on the dlc? Two expansions have been announced so far, who knows if there will be more or not.
it IS an issue.
I was never really interested in leaderboards until Rising, but after a while i enjoyed to see the climb.
i started to rerun all the tracks to better my times... even took notes of my points and started to write down what like 20 sec would do
or what a gold medal on a ninja track would do etc... i started to understand the fascination.
today i plummeted 1300 spots on the Global leaderboard
i was only 3900 Globaly and 70 Regional yesterday but that was something i had worked for....
i was kinda "proud" to be top 100 in my country and was now aiming for top 50....
im back to 90 now and by tomorrow i'v surely lost my top 100 spot.
I had hundreds of hours in the editor on Fusion, maybe close to a thousand hours...
not here... the TC in Rising along with all the bugs with wrong difficulty level,
and replays that dont show animations you have worket on for hours, not to mention random deleted files...
it just have taken the fun out of that too.
Safe to say, its now only GreenBelt/Ninjas that holds any interest to me in this game
when/if i pass green and blue im done... a very very short lifespan on a game i thought would last as long as Evo or Fusion
Your argument is that you can still compete on individual tracks leaderboards and that should serve as a consolation prize for not having any legitimacy anymore in global leaderboards? Yes sure. But why do people compete on individual tracks leaderboards to begin with? Is it not to improve their global rank? Is that not the entire concept of Trials series?Originally Posted by Scruffy McGuffy Go to original post
I'm not exagerating anything. This is pay2win leaderboards where only people that show the extra green for an undefinite amount of time get to have a fair fighting chance to measure themselves with the rest of players. And as I said, you can't mix up people with different maximum potential score and call it a leaderboard, you just can't. Ask any dev or speedrunning community, it's the ONE rule not to break. Everyone needs to be under the same rules.
All Trials players lose from this, including people who buy the DLCs.
Oh well If Fusion did it, it's all good then. I forgot what a massive success it was, my bad! Thx Lionden1. I could buy the DLC, I bought all of them so far in the series, unicorn included.. I just don't feel like throwing an extra 19,99€ right now towards a game that's semi-broken, doesn't have functional replays, functional multiplayer, functional TC. Being blackmailed into it to keep my rank doesn't help.Originally Posted by LIONDEN1 Go to original post
I agree they could implement separate leaderboards for the base game and each expansion. I'm not against that.
I just find it a bit ridiculous to use such hyperbole. For instance, claiming your game is now "completely useless". It's the exact same game you had yesterday. You can still play all the tracks, play MP, better your medals and times, compete on track leaderboards, play MP, do TC, and so on.
You also repeatedly call it P2W. I paid. Does that mean I'm in the top 100 now? Awesome! Err, no, it doesn't. At the end of the day, does it really matter so much whether you are #3,200 or #5,100 or #8,400 or whatever? And if you do care so deeply about scraping fractions of seconds off your times and climbing the leaderboards, you're probably going to own the DLC anyway. I'm sure you could have gotten it cheaper at launch with the Gold Edition.
The point about Fusion was if that's the way it was done there, I'm not sure why you'd be so surprised it's the same here.
The OP is absolutely correct. People absolutely made the same complaint in Fusion, as you can see here https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...-1-leaderboard . It's ridiculous to suggest that it's the same game as it was before. If you care about leaderboards in this game, and for many people leaderboards are the main thing to care about in this game, then you have lost the ability to compete for a spot on the global leaderboards.
Personally, I have already bought the expansion pass, and will certainly buy any additional DLC if there is any, but I would love to have a base game global leaderboard because it allows everyone to compete and it keeps the number of tracks you need to grind to a sane number. Fusion's DLC was great and added a lot to the game, but by the end of it I felt that my global rank had more to do with being one of the relatively small number who played every track in every DLC and did not really accurately reflect my skill relative to the playerbase at large.
It is Pay2Win leaderboards now. You pay extra money to get extra tracks with extra score you couldn't obtain otherwise, giving you a decisive edge on the majority of playerbase in the leaderboard who only compete on the base game 124 tracks circuit. Textbook Pay2win. It's fine if you're personally comfortable with it, but e-sport game with fair competition rankings enforced (same rules for everyone, no cheaters allowed, etc) is VERY important to many people AND usually developers/editors.Originally Posted by Scruffy McGuffy Go to original post
We're already only 250 000 something here compared to the millions of players Trials Evolution had. If you start reserving the top spots only to the few thousands that buy this DLC and all future DLCS to come, well.. the competitive aspect of carreer mode will lose a lot of its interest and frequentation. A shame when you see the fantastic tracks, new bikes, ninjas, diamonds medals, etc.. Clearly, everything that's not UI or XP system related is as good as Trials has ever been, and designed to last for years.
Why ruin that after 2 months for something as simple and essential as keeping leaderboards relevant to people who use them?
I'll get the DLC soon too (just waiting for base-game to be in more functional state) and yes, I will too get to artificially trump all base-game only players. But where is the fun in that? I think mrjorts summarized the problem very well in his message right above. The point is : Trials Evo formula was perfect, no one left behind and everyone served equally. No excuses not doing it again! Same is true for Fusion but it's too late for it. Let's hope Rising has more ambition than that. I'll edit first post and title to make it more to the point!