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Devs've mentioned that orochi has problems with external attacks or something like that. There are some my suggestions and explonations according to this character and his proplems.
In my opinion, the best way to improve orochi as for duels as for Dominion is returning to pre-reworked version of stormrush, when its indicator was flashing from the start-up of the move but make it an unblockable attack being able to be soft feinted into heavies from different sides (undodgable or simple ones). Also it's obvious to up the damage of the second lights to 15 points but stormrush's damage to 20 ones. In addition to that, extremely long recoveries after using stormrush and riptide, range of which (riptide's) is short, and the low speed of L, T, D attack (600 mc) ruin all orochi's potential as a saver's one. The use of this moves in team fights is too risky for orochi now. All of these items must be speed up because these recoveries called by devs "the improvement" intended to make the hero moreof unpredictable are the big mistake as time has shown.
It's also necessary to mention that orochi has big stamina costs on a lot of his main attacks which are not useful even if they reach the target.
In this case, even Pk is stronger. In duels she has more effective (because it's simple to initiate) and various moveset. There's 400 mc zone attack, 400 mc top soft feint and the pretty short time of heavy's usage after the moment when it cannot be canceled. Three variants of prediction. But Orochi's stormrush has only two ones in fact. Also the speed of pk's zone attack make her able to interrupt all enemy's activity on short distances and she can save her teammates on longer distances by 500mc H, T, D attack.
Orochi stormrush take a lot of time to be completed and it's easy to interrupt this "initial tool". Also you can counter the second lights after a stormrush by back dodge guaranted if you block the first attack. The second lights after an ordinar heavy attack have three variants of prediction but it's just 12 dmg and in fact it's the end of the initiation combo because the third one attacks are 500 mc except the top one which is 400 mc but you are just able to hold your block on the top after being hit by the second attack and just block lights from the sides on reaction because the top attack will be almost automatically blocked due to it's very fast speed.
According to these theses I think that orochi is one of the weakest and most boring character in the game who has to be seriously buffed or even reworked again.
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Well I think in some ways you're agreeing with each other, fortunately.Originally Posted by Nitr0geniuM Go to original post
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I like that you made this post, which shows that you like the character and that you play with the character often. So you know things that someone who doesn't play with the character knows. I believe that the orochi is the fastest swordsman on the game, based off of the types of orochi players I've went against in the past.. He has an opener which is the double light attack. His side dodge light attack is very effective as well. The only thing I would change on him is stamina; which I would increase it. I've played against great orochi players who clear teams out by themselves. Orochi is one of the easiest and effective characters to use in the game right now. I main aramusha, and Ill tell you that when orochi is controlled by someone who knows all his moves, hes a tough character to fight; mainly because of how fast he is.
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He does NOT have fast lights.... he has a 500ms light which leads to a 400ms light back to a 500 ms light so does half the roster !! the second light is no different to a shammies guaranteed second or warden BUT it's not guaranteed.... so yeah JUST block and stop crying which is stopping a character getting something he needs for higher tier players !!
Nuxia spam imo is FAR worse than Orochi... you just don't see her played much because she's a great example of ubisofts "great idea, terrible Implementation"...
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Originally Posted by Faithly88 Go to original post
The thing with Orochi is that all he does is light spam and dodge attack when you try to hit him. All I ever see any Orochi do, is spam lights, and try to get a gb when you're low health to execute, thats why everyone says he's the biggest light spammer, because he is, even Nuxia players at least throw traps out and mix it up a bit.
As far as high tier players go... I've seen a lot of people use that argument on here lately to give their opinion more weight and it's starting to get annoying, I checked your stats and they look very similar to my own, I consider myself above average at this game, but far from high tier, if you aren't tournament caliber top tier level, it doesn't really mean much to bring up skill level.
I did notice you're on PC with Orochi though, from what I hear he's pretty easy to shut down on there, now on console where the vast majority of the player base is, that isn't the case, his lights are a guessing game to defend for a lot of people.
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Okay I may not be your opinion of High tier but not bringing up skill is because I am not tournament level is a really dumb observation tbh and worthy of a UBI comment... this is how they scale the game and it's ridiculous.... this game is never going to be E sports level so why scale for the 2% ?! those 2% do not play the game like normal or even high tier players they are literally the worst fights to watch...
Like you said I do not play console but PC which is completely different. We may have the same / similar stats (cba to check) but we are basically playing a completely different game when it comes to console and PC .... it's like changing the difficulty from Normal to Hellish (when playing orochi anyway)..
Light spam on PC if your first light doesn't get parried your third will...
if you throw a stupid left or right dodge light without perfect timing or against ANYONE turtling your getting parried...
Storm rush 60% of the time your getting parried, dodged, blocked or even just a well time light....
Heavys ... ha, parry.
You need to constantly be hard feinting into lights into heavies into GBs which he does not have the stamina for so yeah i can see why some people spam... blame the Build.
Go see the patch notes... they just adjusted LB and Raiders lights to a similar speed and gave them both 3 move chains...
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Tbh ara WAS the fastest in the game and i loved using him.. Now its like he's swinging greatswords and its bs.. Add to that having a small stamina pool and he's effectively useless now. Orochi is in an alright place atm; i have mained him to rep 14 and can honestly say he's more or less fine where he is, though i wouldn't mind a proper opener. He has quite a vast array of moves when you think about it; after all, he is a counter based character and is more built around you mixing his moveset up in creative ways to outplay your opponent... I always go orochi when i get pissed off or owned in previous fights as he normally cleans up (well at least i do when playing him).. But ara needs to be reverted back to the way he was (400ms lights for chain attacks etc) as he was my favourite character by far; he replaced my orochi because of his similar but more offensive playstyle. This game is going downhill so fast.. And bring back gear stats ffs.. Get rid of revenge if its that much of an issue but but leave the rest as it was.. This perk bs is ******ed and has taken away the ability to create different playstyles with characters and any feeling of progression/accomplishment within the game..This game is starting to feel like fortnite; all cosmetics and pointless gameplay whilst extorting money from the masses naive enough to waste their money.. And **** off with your e-sports ********.. No one gives a flying **** about your "tournaments". Games were made for entertainment/fun, not to compete for sponsors and companies to win $$.. Its this exact model that has ****ed the gaming world and it will only get worse.. Soon you'll be back to what it was in the early 1900's when they created the first "advanced graphical game"; it was just a non-interactive environment you walked about in and all you can do is marvel at how nice the game looked. Best off going back to games like skyrim and just modding the **** out of them.. You'll have a much better time and can't have the game changed on you, and charged for it..again. F.U.C.K YOU UBIS.H.I.T!!!.. And, considering they all suck each others d.i.c.k.s; F.U.C.K YOU EA, F.U.C.K YOU MICROSOFT AND F.U.C.K YOU SONY!!! You scumbags bought out so many great gaming co's then either bankrupt them or absorbed them into your corrupt empires.. Go play in traffic f.u.c.k.w.i.t.s..
