Why are there no crosses on church buildings? | Forums

[Iesekeel]

I guess whichever church they modelled it after in the Old World didn't have a cross either. In fact I feel like most European churches don't

And of course, there is the extremely simple answer that there are not any crosses on most churches in Europe.

This is just factually wrong. Christian church has to have a cross, either on spire or above door or installed in some other part of the building. This is especially true for 19th century.

The game is not about colonization or missionaries. It's about industrial age movements. There isn’t any single type of mechanics tied to religion what so ever. Who cares about: churches in the new world should have crosses on top of each other, thing.

True, there are no religious mechanics and that's fine. In many cases it is better to leave religion out of entertainment altogether. But if you do insert it, in form of an obviously Christian building, it should be done accurately. Again, would you ask the same question if there was a building called "mosque" and it had no minarets or crescent?

It has been stated in several interviews that historical accuracy is not important to this game. There is of course a historical role model for the game, but also a lot of conscious decisions (like naming it old world and not Europe, or having a very fictional worldmap shape) to make it obvious that this is a fictional world, which does not claim historical accuracy.

This argument is hollow considering the fact that the game is set in the same continuity as Anno 1404 and other games, which undeniably represented actual real-life religions of Christianity and Islam, complete with crosses, crescents, prayers (priest in the chapel outright says: "In nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti") etc.

[ruzen_qures]

True, there are no religious mechanics and that's fine. In many cases it is better to leave religion out of entertainment altogether. But if you do insert it, in form of an obviously Christian building, it should be done accurately. Again, would you ask the same question if there was a building called "mosque" and it had no minarets or crescent?

First of all, there isn't a single indication for thinking that it is a Christian Church. You could have thought that this is Britain because of the accent and the clothing so it could possible be an Anglican Church.

About the minarets, those are an architecture design. Not a symbol like a cross.

[Iesekeel]

First of all, there isn't a single indication for thinking that it is a Christian Church. You could have thought that this is Britain because of the accent and the clothing so it could be possible an Anglican Church.

About the minarets, those are an architecture design. Not a symbol like a cross.

You can't really say that it is not supposed to be a Christian church, considering:

1) The game is clearly modelled after 19th century Europe where it would be very hard, maybe impossible to find something that is called "church" without it being Christian.
2) Anno 1800 is set in the same continuity as other Anno games that did not hide the fact that they represented real Christianity and Islam.
3) The graveyard behind the church building has Christian crosses installed. It is pretty obvious what that means.

Many Muslims would disagree about the minaret or a dome, but that's beside the point. I could say the same about mihrab.

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Do you just copy and paste your previous posts or do you take the effort to write it down from scratch every single time?

[ruzen_qures]

You can't really say that it is not supposed to be a Christian church, considering:

1) The game is clearly modelled after 19th century Europe where it would be very hard, maybe impossible to find something that is called "church" without it being Christian.
2) Anno 1800 is set in the same continuity as other Anno games that did not hide the fact that they represented real Christianity and Islam.
3) The graveyard behind the church building has Christian crosses installed. It is pretty obvious what that means.

Many Muslims would disagree about the minaret or a dome, but that's beside the point. I could say the same about mihrab.

I think you just acknowledged my point by saying “you can’t really say it’s not” well…you are right none of us can and that's the point!

Your writing about it must be Catholic its European is another false argument; Europe = Christian or Europe = European is the wrong argument. Europe founded in 1993 and still trying to hold itself together.

Besides all of this, the game is trying to go for a parallel history but not mentioning any names. From what I gathered from the game I can assume that this is a Victorian Era in Britain. People calling each other with “oi!”, NPC’s referring to a queen, the clothing and general accent. Old Worlds shape. They all British. So, IF this game was going for a historical resemblance you should assume this church was Anglican. There isn’t a single Christian culture in Europe continent especially during that era.

[Iesekeel]

I think you just acknowledged my point by saying “you can’t really say it’s not” well…you are right none of us can and that's the point!

Your writing about it must be Catholic its European is another false argument; Europe = Christian or Europe = European is the wrong argument. Europe founded in 1993 and still trying to hold itself together.

Besides all of this, the game is trying to go for a parallel history but not mentioning any names. From what I gathered from the game I can assume that this is a Victorian Era in Britain. People calling each other with “oi!”, NPC’s referring to a queen, the clothing and general accent. Old Worlds shape. They all British. So, IF this game was going for a historical resemblance you should assume this church was Anglican. There isn’t a single Christian culture in Europe continent especially during that era.

Not sure what you are trying to say here.

I've never argued in favor of putting Catholicism in the game.
Europe in19th century was predominantly Christian and was definitely European. Europe and European civilization existed long before the EU.
Anglican churches have crosses on them. May not neccessarily be on the spire. It may be above the door or in some other place of the exterior, but it is there.

[ruzen_qures]

You are still saying they are European so there should be any discussion about the cross. There are Reformed churches, Protestant, Anglicans, Catholics, many small more they all have different types of churches yet you are keen on a cross is a must. You still forgot about the implications of the era and location of the game. Also still saying EU concept long existed yet it was established in 1993.

It’s like talking to a wall here.

[Iesekeel]

You are still saying they are European so there should be any discussion about the cross. There are Reformed churches, Protestant, Anglicans, Catholics, many small more they all have different types of churches yet you are keen on a cross is a must. You still forgot about the implications of the era and location of the game. Also still saying EU concept long existed yet it was established in 1993.

Protestant, Orthodox, Catholic, Reformed, Anglican - doesn't matter, all had crosses or other Christian symbols on them in one way or another. That's how it was designed to be. There is no way around it, if you think about it. Cross is a central symbold of Christian faith.

I've never said that EU existed before 1993. European civilization, on the other hand, certainly did.

[hugorune_au]

It's 99% likely to be an oversight, if it was deliberate then there wouldn't have been crosses anywhere. With some cathedrals you wouldn't notice the cross unless you were looking for it.

Hope it gets fixed.