Why complain about BP but not Warden? | Forums

[Liduras]

When there is even a little distance, BP can not hit with his bash without delaying it. His delayed bash can be dodged early and countered with a GB or side dash attack by guessing (it was possible even before his nerf). It is much easier than avoiding Warden's SB because Warden can feint into GB anytime but BP can GB only at the end of his forward dash. Also, even when you guess wrong against BP, you can still dodge on reaction to avoid damage, but guessing wrong aginst Warden gives him almost guaranteed damage. Warden's damage is higher too. He can GB much easier (then throw a 30 damage heavy). Although Warden is stronger, BP takes all the hate.

[atac56]

black prior is a new character thats why he gets all the hate. rather than taking the time to learn how to combat a new character most players call for a nerf.

[The_B0G_]

I think only 2 characters can punish him on reaction, Raider with his dodge+gb, and conq with his dodge+sb.

Also, if you get out of his range, he can heal with his FB, not the greatest strategy.

[LightUpTheEyes]

I think only 2 characters can punish him on reaction, Raider with his dodge+gb, and conq with his dodge+sb.

Also, if you get out of his range, he can heal with his FB, not the greatest strategy.

I mean, technically nobody can punish Wardens shoulder bash since he can cancel it whenever he wants. So basically all you have to do is keep charging it and wait for a reaction. If they dodge too early keep it charged for a fully charged Sb, if they dodge perfectly, just cancel it. If they unlock roll just cancel and dashing heavy and it will get them every time.

[allenhollow]

warden is a member of the family unlike the other emo can't accept his presence

[The_B0G_]

I mean, technically nobody can punish Wardens shoulder bash since he can cancel it whenever he wants. So basically all you have to do is keep charging it and wait for a reaction. If they dodge too early keep it charged for a fully charged Sb, if they dodge perfectly, just cancel it. If they unlock roll just cancel and dashing heavy and it will get them every time.

True enough, but Warden doesn't have a FB that counters everything but a GB. Being aggressive against a warden is a viable strategy, doing that to a BP won't work.

[LightUpTheEyes]

True enough, but Warden doesn't have a FB that counters everything but a GB. Being aggressive against a warden is a viable strategy, doing that to a BP won't work.

Well, yes and no. Since they nerfed Bps' all guard he's a lot easier to bait and gb him out of his FB.

[Knight_Raime]

When there is even a little distance, BP can not hit with his bash without delaying it. His delayed bash can be dodged early and countered with a GB or side dash attack by guessing (it was possible even before his nerf). It is much easier than avoiding Warden's SB because Warden can feint into GB anytime but BP can GB only at the end of his forward dash. Also, even when you guess wrong against BP, you can still dodge on reaction to avoid damage, but guessing wrong aginst Warden gives him almost guaranteed damage. Warden's damage is higher too. He can GB much easier (then throw a 30 damage heavy). Although Warden is stronger, BP takes all the hate.

Because there are only 3 heros in the game who have a consistent punish to dodging his bash. Shaman, raider, and conq. Warden's bash game is punishable by every member of the cast and there are multiple ways to punish it both character specific and universally. Warden's bash is far less safe to use.

I think only 2 characters can punish him on reaction, Raider with his dodge+gb, and conq with his dodge+sb.

Also, if you get out of his range, he can heal with his FB, not the greatest strategy.

Raider and conq can on a dodge. Shaman has to back dash into her headbutt on tight timing. Warden and shinobi on a dodge becomes a mix up game. But that's currently it for people who have the potential to punish on a reaction.

I mean, technically nobody can punish Wardens shoulder bash since he can cancel it whenever he wants. So basically all you have to do is keep charging it and wait for a reaction. If they dodge too early keep it charged for a fully charged Sb, if they dodge perfectly, just cancel it. If they unlock roll just cancel and dashing heavy and it will get them every time.

This is just misinformation. If all a warden does is fully charge and wait for a reaction you can simply light/zone him out or GB him in start up. Both Warden and his opponents have to make reads the entire time. Everyone can punish warden's bash game.

[LightUpTheEyes]

This is just misinformation. If all a warden does is fully charge and wait for a reaction you can simply light/zone him out or GB him in start up. Both Warden and his opponents have to make reads the entire time. Everyone can punish warden's bash game.

That wasn't misinformation.
That's all any Warden main does. Plus he can cancel his charge in time to parry the lite so throwing a lite on reaction doesn't work.

[Knight_Raime]

That wasn't misinformation.
That's all any Warden main does. Plus he can cancel his charge in time to parry the lite so throwing a lite on reaction doesn't work.

He cannot cancel a charge and parry on reaction. You have zero clue on what you're talking about.
Maybe in low tier land where people struggle to block 500ms combo lights Warden is a reaction god who can't be touched.
Try playing against actually decent people and then you'll understand why your perception of warden is incredibly flawed.