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[Siegfried-Z]

Better sweep mix ups? You mean broken 500ms chain bash which is undodgable if suddenly you moved stance? "Tri directional 400ms mooves are only toxic", but yeah, broken 500ms chain bash wouldn't be toxic, very nice mechanic.

Broken ? Valk sweep is extremly telegraphed.
A decent player would dodge it and get a free GB most of Times.
Plus this is a mix up mech.
In another hands 400ms lights are only free dmg most of times which require zero skills to perform.

Imo any spammy char, regarding lights or bash are bad for the health of the Game.
Just look at how BP and Conq are hated for their bash.
Or how Roch and Nuxia are as well on console because of their lights.

You can make a heroe strong without these things. We have Many examples of that such as Shaman or Kensei.

[Star.Princess]

Broken ? Valk sweep is extremly telegraphed.
A decent player would dodge it and get a free GB most of Times.
Plus this is a mix up mech.
In another hands 400ms lights are only free dmg most of times which require zero skills to perform.

Imo any spammy char, regarding lights or bash are bad for the health of the Game.
Just look at how BP and Conq are hated for their bash.
Or how Roch and Nuxia are as well on console because of their lights.

You can make a heroe strong without these things. We have Many examples of that such as Shaman or Kensei.

I mean that if you move guard it will be undodgable, you can see it, you dodge it, but you moved guard (you said about consoles, well how to move finger from stick to X without sometimes moving guard?) 500ms chain bash is guaranteed, that always happens when you fighting against BP, you just dodge even on predict and you can't and Valk will be the same, if developers won't fix such thing then 500ms chain bashes would be very very big catalyst of toxic and rage "WTF I DODGED!!! I FAKIN DODGEED ITTTT!!!".

Yeah, in another hands 400ms lights are only free dmg most of times, but it require heavy in your block, that is how Orochi and Tiandi play for example, you should do heavy which can be parried and only after that you can make light.

I agree with you that bashes are sucks and should be removed from the game, but it is neutral bashes, don't compare them with lights, lights come after heavy, like Monk's kick, are monk's kick bad and toxic and bad for health of the game?

And pls don't talk about consoles, it isn't fault of Nux or Rochi that developers can't fix the game, let's talk about PC.

Shaman and Kensei? Kensei is medicore, because top heavy easy to interrupt and light after pommel strike should be buffered, how to solve this problem and make him strong? Give him 800ms heavy and 300ms light after pommel strike after palm-strike, and what will happen with him? He will just spam his top heavy with pommel strike cause it will safe and useful. Shaman is near trash-tier, what is the main problem? Damage, just give her 24dmg for double-light and she will spam headbutt with feints all day long. Kensei and Shaman are examples showing that characters without safe attacks are mediocre and weak.

[Vendelkin]

And pls don't talk about consoles, it isn't fault of Nux or Rochi that developers can't fix the game, let's talk about PC.

.......you do realize the bulk of the player base is on console right? I play exclusively on console but never once have i said anything close to: lets just ignore balancing on pc. Which is basically what you said amounts to regarding console.

Also kensei and shamn are very much not weak. In the hands of skilled players both are exceptional, and in the hands of weak players they are still decent against other weak players. Imo kensei is still one of the best made characters around except his pommel strike.

[Star.Princess]

.......you do realize the bulk of the player base is on console right? I play exclusively on console but never once have i said anything close to: lets just ignore balancing on pc. Which is basically what you said amounts to regarding console.

Also kensei and shamn are very much not weak. In the hands of skilled players both are exceptional, and in the hands of weak players they are still decent against other weak players. Imo kensei is still one of the best made characters around except his pommel strike.

I know that the majority of players play on consoles and it is very sad that developers don't care. But how not to ignore consoles? Ok, let's nerf spammy Wu Lin and make them unplayable sh1t on PC, let's remove all 400ms and make season 1 turtle mete when normal iniciation had PK and Warlord only, you want it?
Who will/won't ignore consoles? Developers! Who can fix big console For Honor input delay or make 60FPS? Developers. Well, if they will balance to all platforms isn't easier just solve input delay problem?

Of course on console Kensei and Shaman top characters, very fast zones, very fast lights, unreactable Shaman's soft-feint, they are A/S-Tier heroes on console, but on PC they are mediocre and need big buffs.

[Siegfried-Z]

I mean that if you move guard it will be undodgable, you can see it, you dodge it, but you moved guard (you said about consoles, well how to move finger from stick to X without sometimes moving guard?) 500ms chain bash is guaranteed, that always happens when you fighting against BP, you just dodge even on predict and you can't and Valk will be the same, if developers won't fix such thing then 500ms chain bashes would be very very big catalyst of toxic and rage "WTF I DODGED!!! I FAKIN DODGEED ITTTT!!!".

Yeah, in another hands 400ms lights are only free dmg most of times, but it require heavy in your block, that is how Orochi and Tiandi play for example, you should do heavy which can be parried and only after that you can make light.

I agree with you that bashes are sucks and should be removed from the game, but it is neutral bashes, don't compare them with lights, lights come after heavy, like Monk's kick, are monk's kick bad and toxic and bad for health of the game?

And pls don't talk about consoles, it isn't fault of Nux or Rochi that developers can't fix the game, let's talk about PC.

Shaman and Kensei? Kensei is medicore, because top heavy easy to interrupt and light after pommel strike should be buffered, how to solve this problem and make him strong? Give him 800ms heavy and 300ms light after pommel strike after palm-strike, and what will happen with him? He will just spam his top heavy with pommel strike cause it will safe and useful. Shaman is near trash-tier, what is the main problem? Damage, just give her 24dmg for double-light and she will spam headbutt with feints all day long. Kensei and Shaman are examples showing that characters without safe attacks are mediocre and weak.

Yeah, but Valk Sweep is anywhere near to BP bash. Bp Bash is harder to dodge in chain and unpunishable while Valk sweep is telegraphed as hell and give a free GB.

In FH, we have a lot of example of mooves of the same speed but which still looks different due to the quality of their own animation.
Just look at all the 500ms lights in the game, Some looks faster ans harder to parry than others.

The bash are more annoying than the 400ms lights but are still frustrating.
And yes i say that for console. Ive played on PC.. this is, so easy to at least to block it. It is like their is no Middle ground between console and PC. That would be Nice if they will change their setting not for 100ms steps but 50ms. So we would have 450ms lights which would fit both platforms.
But this is not the topic.

I dont see why Kensei would be strong on console and not on PC.
On both Kensei is mediocre in 1v1 and good in 4v4.

And Shaman is a good pick in both 1v1 and 4v4 and on both platform.

[Star.Princess]

Yeah, but Valk Sweep is anywhere near to BP bash. Bp Bash is harder to dodge in chain and unpunishable while Valk sweep is telegraphed as hell and give a free GB.

In FH, we have a lot of example of mooves of the same speed but which still looks different due to the quality of their own animation.
Just look at all the 500ms lights in the game, Some looks faster ans harder to parry than others.

The bash are more annoying than the 400ms lights but are still frustrating.
And yes i say that for console. Ive played on PC.. this is, so easy to at least to block it. It is like their is no Middle ground between console and PC. That would be Nice if they will change their setting not for 100ms steps but 50ms. So we would have 450ms lights which would fit both platforms.
But this is not the topic.

I dont see why Kensei would be strong on console and not on PC.
On both Kensei is mediocre in 1v1 and good in 4v4.

And Shaman is a good pick in both 1v1 and 4v4 and on both platform.

450ms would be very easy to block on PC

Kensei is strong because zone, forward dodge+light and 3rd light with delay, even good players often miss such hits.
Shaman is worse then Kensei, on console she is very strong, her heavy-sf-top light is completely unreactable, bleed dot for half hp isn't fiction, fast 25dmg zone and fast forward dodge+light.

[Zombie.Face]

any amount of damage and recovery on her bashes would be nice. why does her bash get punished where pretty much every other character can bash free or worry.

[Zombie.Face]

ro answer the ubi guy, i can't say the exact damage buffs as well as the ubi team should. I just know her damage is laughable compared to the others. i mean look at the zerker or the BP. her recovery needs to be looked at because her bash is punishable by GB unlike the other bashers in the game. its her only real way to get offense. its easy enough to dodge that she shouldn't be punished with a GB. i mean if a cent just gets a gb on her, maybe your by a wall.., with her extremely low hp your basically toast.. to sum it up, ask the devs if they would ever release the Valk as a new character today. the answer is for sure no, the devs would never release her in this form based on the last 5 characters. i hope u actually bring this up to the devs and not just tell us this to make us go away. :/

[xIBlacKmaNIx]

She was much better before her rework. Bring her back to her former glory or at the very least give her some of the old shield perks back. Knock down or dash/light attack from full block.

[UbiInsulin]

ro answer the ubi guy, i can't say the exact damage buffs as well as the ubi team should. I just know her damage is laughable compared to the others. i mean look at the zerker or the BP. her recovery needs to be looked at because her bash is punishable by GB unlike the other bashers in the game. its her only real way to get offense. its easy enough to dodge that she shouldn't be punished with a GB. i mean if a cent just gets a gb on her, maybe your by a wall.., with her extremely low hp your basically toast.. to sum it up, ask the devs if they would ever release the Valk as a new character today. the answer is for sure no, the devs would never release her in this form based on the last 5 characters. i hope u actually bring this up to the devs and not just tell us this to make us go away. :/

I will; I just like to send them as many specifics as I can. Thanks for creating this thread!