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I think is not a big new to say that orochi is totally unviable I’m a 1vs 2 or more players.
Not only that but it’s a danger for all the team as it just fuels revenge.
Another thing I started to noticed is that your team always try to “help” you when your are in a fight.
The problem?! Not being able to do any harm to the enemy, your allies will always claim the kill. It is upsetting that, after being fighting for minutes, another will come and kill your enemy as you have no way to touch him.
Would be a good idea to give orochi (and pacekeeper as far as I know) an unblockable attack? Just to avoid helping the other team.
The kick of the general orochi on the campaign?
What do you think?
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i think the orochi sorely needs an unblockable. a real unblockable not a deflect-unblockable. he can't do anything outside of light spam and feed revenge.Originally Posted by TicioQ Go to original post
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But please not a bash!!Originally Posted by atac56 Go to original post
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In your opinion, what do you think would be the biggest benefit to adding an unblockable to Orochi? Does everyone else agree with adding an unblockable or improving upon his unblockable?Originally Posted by atac56 Go to original post
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Of course everybody agree, unblockable the main thing he need. This is not the only problem, he needs stronger chains with more 400ms with decent damage (I am not joking, why he can't have two 400ms chain lights like Nuxia? Or 15dmg 400ms like Zerker), because now he is mediocre in duel and there's no other way, bashes or 400ms lights, lights aren't annoying so much, but the main problem is low efficiency in teamfights, 40dmg heavy finisher on each side will be very good, with his feasts and teamfight mobility he will bedecent teamfighter and damager.Originally Posted by Ubiflowessence Go to original post
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He's definietly in a tricky position, a new type of move, a bash or and unblockable attack would definietly add a lot of mixup potentional into his kit.
Some number adjustments would also go a long way, for example his dodge attacks (Zephyr Slash and Lightning Strike) deal the exact same damage that his attacks from Storm Rush stance do that is 17, only difference being that the Storm Rush attacks are basically heavy attacks, that deal chip damage and can promt executions. While his riptide strike is also a light dodge attack and it deals 22 damage if it lands and I find that pretty ridiculous in my oppinion.
Storm Rush attacks should deal 22 damage while Riptide should deal 17 like his other light dodge attacks do and it should also function as a chain starter even if whiffed not just when it lands.
Also the addition of the old Riptide Strike would be welcome as well.
In any case I think the Storm Rush stance is a pretty good foundation for future moves and pressure tools.
His soft-feint from Storm Rush into Guardbreak should be brought back, along with the addition of more soft-feints.
Couple of examples:
-Soft-feint mid Rush into Zephyr Slash (side dodge attacks) - pretty self explanatory I believe, Lightning Strike (Forward dodge attack) needs to go in my oppinion and should be replaced with a chase attack like Warden got with his Valiant Breaktrough.
-Soft-feint mid Rush into Riptide Strike - pretty obvious as well, could be performed on read or in reaction of incoming attempts trying to poke you out.
-Soft-feint mid Rush into Old Riptide Strike - The Old Riptide Strike which I shall dub Ripping Tide, would recieve hyper armour while performing it both from a Rush and from neutral. It would also be feintable and I'd give it 25 damage.
-Soft-feint mid Rush into another Stormrush Stance - Add the ability to enter Stormrush Stance from side dodges as well, imagine rushing towards your opponents who attempts to poke you out only for them to miss because you not only dodged his poke attempt and entered another Rush Stance already, but you also let go and now are charging towards them ready to deliver that swift last killing blow! It is totally something a skilled and agile Samurai like Orochi, would be able to pull off!
These changes would help bring out and reinforce Orochi's identity, a swift and skilled master of the katana who puts his opponents down before they could even have the time to ask, NANI?!
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Imo Roch would be too strong with an UB.Originally Posted by Ubiflowessence Go to original post
At the end every char are going to have UB and Ha ? There is no purpose to have différent type of heroes then.
If one day he got something like this, he should not anymore have a top double lights guaranteed and only a double light chain, not a triple.
You cant give him the huge buff of an UB attack without reduce his spam ability. For the health of console.
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After reading through a few orochi threads and commenting on them I put a couple (more) reps through him again to make sure I wasn't shooting form the hip -
I've been convinced he does need an unblockable but not a bash. However, the unblockable comes at a cost
Heavy finishers on chains are unblockable
Middle light in his combo @400ms has its damage reduced to 7. Give him light chain finisher (undodgable) but at 500 ms & 20 damage (same damage values just loaded towards the finisher so that the spam on the way to UB feint won't be to overbearing)
EDIT: also let him softfeint dodge out of heavy UB finisher startup - this would mean you would start seeimg storm rush and the like thrown into combos and a move away from complete light spam
UB is needed as currently no move to force a reaction so if somone wants to just guard you are toast
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Please! Just do something, I don’t care what but something!
I just had a tribute game.
In my team, 2 orochis, Pacekeeper and lawbringer.
Vs.
Shaolin, JJ, black prior and nobushi.
It was the fastest Macht in my life. We only fueled their revenge, we never hit them, they always hit us with unbreakable feintings and actual attacks at the same time.
I never got so desperate... not even mad... just disparate.
