With the LZ being top notch, I think it's time to incentivize the DZ. | Forums

[Merphee]

So what you are telling me is that you have your "PvE" incentive to be in the darkzone already and that we are done here outside of quest exotics in the LZ?

Why would you not want the LZ to have it's own exotic loot pool? And, I've already said that the LZ should have its own.

I'm still a believer in exclusive exotic loot pools. What I mean by this is activities should have their own "list" of exotics that can only drop from those specific activities. If we have exclusive exotic loot pools, RNG will be cut down tremendously while also providing incentives to play different parts of the game. For example

Let's say exotics start dropping at a higher difficulty under Main Missions / Raid at end game. Let's say that, no matter which mission you do, the same 4-5 exotics will be able to drop and those exotics only drop from main missions. This is to avoid a Lexington situation, though, I think people would still do the fastest mission. ...well, hey, at least the option to do other missions is there.

Now let's look at Control Points. They, too, would have their own exclusive exotic drop list that no other activity share.

Same with drops in the Dark Zone. Same with loot crates around the LZ. Same with whatever side mission equivalent is at end game. So on and so forth.

The raid already has exclusive gear. And like I said, if you're okay with that but the DZ can't be the same, then that is some hypocrisy. It's even worse because the raid requires 8 players lol.

[silencerpl16]

Dude, no. The way you are compartmentalizing this makes no ******* sense.

PvP is an integral part of the Dark Zone, full stop.

I totally get that the exotics would not come from PvP in the DZ, but rather PvE.

But again, that is not why people don't go into the DZ. It's the fact that PvP can happen spontaneously and is mandatory. Always. Even if you are not looking for it.

You are literally ignoring the part that makes people not want to go to the DZ (the PvP) and somehow claim that boosting PvE will make players ignore it. It won't. And if you try and "force' people to do so via say that unique exotic pool, they'll just get pissed because, let me repeat myself, PvE players DO NOT want PvP in their PvE.

[Merphee]

I still feel you are missing my point. Let me rephrase. As a dark zone veteran, exclusive loot pool won't entice me to step in the DZ because the state of PvP is not enjoyable. Sure, PvP isn't 100% certain but players like me that like to PvP. It's still an issue. If you are not having fun with a certain activiity, it doesn't matter what the rewards are. You are going to stay away.

There are a lot of discussions right now regarding PvP and DZ. We need to have this conversation before implementing an exclusive loot pool in the DZ.

I want to point out that players are still playing 1-30 experience. I think that is why solo queuing isn't working properly because the population is low. As you said, you can still group up as well.

But that's the thing, though, you wouldn't have to PVP in order to get the exotic. So if you find the state of PVP bad currently, there would be no problem because you wouldn't be doing it. You wouldn't be doing something you do not find enjoyable in order to get an exotic.

That was my point this whole time. With straight to inventory and how fast you can get loot in the DZ, without having to PVP on top of it all and the solo queue DZ, although it needs some changes, pfft exotics should be a breeze.

Unless, you DO want exotics to drop on killed players, then I can see your issue.

Edit: I'll say it like this, if you don't enjoy NOT PVPing, then yeah, I can see your point. However, that is a weird thing to not enjoy.

[Merphee]

Dude, no. The way you are compartmentalizing this makes no ******* sense.

PvP is an integral part of the Dark Zone, full stop.

I totally get that the exotics would not come from PvP in the DZ, but rather PvE.

But again, that is not why people don't go into the DZ. It's the fact that PvP can happen spontaneously and is mandatory. Always. Even if you are not looking for it.

You are literally ignoring the part that makes people not want to go to the DZ (the PvP) and somehow claim that boosting PvE will make players ignore it. It won't. And if you try and "force' people to do so via say that unique exotic pool, they'll just get pissed because, let me repeat myself, PvE players DO NOT want PvP in their PvE.

I don't go into the DZ to PVP, that's what Conflict is for because 1v4 is stupid. I PVP in the DZ when someone decides to shoot at me. That's it, I defend myself, I don't go forcing myself to have other players defend themselves from me. Solo queue DZ is a thing, however, it needs to be changed. Which is where an even playing field can be established regarding PVP, even if you don't PVP, you won't be able to deny you'll have an equal chance if you are a solo PVEr... in theory. There is a change that needs to happen with it, but it will be there.

I am one who believes there is a difference between voluntarily looking for PVP and defending yourself. I defend myself, I do not voluntarily look for PVP. Again, that is what Conflict is for, and let me also mention what would be a lot more tolerable in the solo queue DZ, for me.

[DeMizeFPS]

But that's the thing, though, you wouldn't have to PVP in order to get the exotic. So if you find the state of PVP bad currently, there would be no problem because you wouldn't be doing it. You wouldn't be doing something you do not find enjoyable in order to get an exotic.

That was my point this whole time. With straight to inventory and how fast you can get loot in the DZ, without having to PVP on top of it all and the solo queue DZ, although it needs some changes, pfft exotics should be a breeze.

Unless, you DO want exotics to drop on killed players, then I can see your issue.

Exotics should drop on killed players!
Dark Zone is High-Risk, High-Reward Area.
There needs to be confrontations and risks. Otherwise, no one will be fighting over landmarks or extractions. That itself would make the DZ experience stale.
I feel at this point the dark zone is losing its identity. What's the point of having PvPvE area if there's no risk involved? Might as well have PvE DZ

I don't go into the DZ to PVP, that's what Conflict is for because 1v4 is stupid. I PVP in the DZ when someone decides to shoot at me. That's it, I defend myself, I don't go forcing myself to have other players defend themselves from me. Solo queue DZ is a thing, however, it needs to be changed. Which is where an even playing field can be established regarding PVP, even if you don't PVP, you won't be able to deny you'll have an equal chance if you are a solo PVEr... in theory. There is a change that needs to happen with it, but it will be there.

I am one who believes there is a difference between voluntarily looking for PVP and defending yourself. I defend myself, I do not voluntarily look for PVP. Again, that is what Conflict is for.

I prefer to PvP in DZ because I like to gank players for their loot. I said it. I am an *******. That's the DZ. It's the idea of having confrontational state of high-risk high reward to force players to go rogue. There's demographic of players like me that prefer to PvP in the Dark Zone. It's the trill of goiing rogue.

I just don't like conflict. Those game modes are not competitive for me. Unless a secure bomb game mode is introduced then I will be playing conflict nonstop.

[Sovek86]

What has to happen, in my opinion, is for the DZ to gain its own exclusive exotic loot pool, and even its own exclusive gear set loot pool. This has to happen in order to incentivize the DZ again. Assuming they will follow Division 1, Exotics are a 1% drop. It is a hardcore chase that is kind to some, and harsh to others, but the drop rate will bring players in the DZ and for much longer, ultimately populating it again, without really turning the light zone into Division 1's light zone.

Sorry PVErs who do not venture in the DZ, but this has to happen, or the DZ will not be used (inb4 those who enjoy seeing it burned). Some of you may already know, but I've brought this up in the past. Exclusive gear has been confirmed for the Raid (check the raid tab in the Social menu), and now I think the same could be done for the DZ.

Absolutely not, because then you can have people who will go into the DZ to get said loot, and another set to go in just to grief players, because there are people that get their enjoyment out of griefing others.

Like the other poster, this is a PVE game first and foremost, its what Ubisoft is famous for, making it so some of the best loot is behind a PVP wall will turn people off from the game.

Right now your lack of people in the DZ is because there are three DZs, its not even been out for 3 days, and everyone is STILL trying to level up. Heck I have three characters, one is for playing with my friend, another is solo, and the highest, well she's ugly. I'm in no rush.

[Disneyadventure]

Am I the only one not mentioning PVP?

Not every likes PVP, but everyone needs loot. At least, I'd hope so. That's the actual point: the loot being the incentive, not PVP.

Why do you want them to go into a pvp zone then if they don't like to pvp?

I think you just want more people so that you and your group can run around ganking solo players.

Seriously, if it's not about the pvp then what other reason is there to want them in that zone?

Is it prettier or something?

[Ubi-RealDude]

Very interesting mix of feedback and opinions in this discussion. I'll definitely make a note of it to pass along to the team.

[Merphee]

Exotics should drop on killed players!
Dark Zone is High-Risk, High-Reward Area.
There needs to be confrontations and risks. Otherwise, no one will be fighting over landmarks or extractions. That itself would make the DZ experience stale.
I feel at this point the dark zone is losing its identity. What's the point of having PvPvE area if there's no risk involved? Might as well have PvE DZ

The troll

Honestly, I think losing items on death is risk enough, but the occupied DZ is where I expect you to be the most Demizer. You pretty much have to believe no one is gonna not shoot you. Lol. The ODZ is the hardcore place for hardcore players, which is a feature I can applaud them for implementing.

I prefer to PvP in DZ because I like to gank players for their loot. I said it. I am an *******. That's the DZ. It's the idea of having confrontational state of high-risk high reward to force players to go rogue. There's demographic of players like me that prefer to PvP in the Dark Zone. It's the trill of goiing rogue.

I just don't like conflict. Those game modes are not competitive for me. Unless a secure bomb game mode is introduced then I will be playing conflict nonstop.

Conflict has its own problems, like groups being matchmade against solo players and boosts being in questionable locations, but I prefer it because it's instant PVP and I'm on a team with other players. It has SBMM, which is nice as a solo player.

Absolutely not, because then you can have people who will go into the DZ to get said loot, and another set to go in just to grief players, because there are people that get their enjoyment out of griefing others. .

If you take dying from another player personally, I don't know what to tell you.

I don't mind dying in a fair PVP fight. If I died, then I'm trash or made a bad move. 4v1s are much different, because you have no chance to defend yourself as a solo player in that situation compared to a 1v1.

I think you just want more people so that you and your group can run around ganking solo players.

"Let me just assume what I want to be correct and then make blame because I believed the assumption was true without verifying."

And, like I've mentioned in the OP, players are finding zero reasons to go into the DZ. The conversation that was had during that stream, the twitch chat, and the message I got about it let's me know that that's the direction. The exotic loot pool is a way to get those players into the DZ, and then some. No where did I say I want to it to be about PVP, because that's not what it is about. This proposal was a solution to the problem those players had, and I looked at it objectively.

[UMUSTBBORNAGAIN]

You want higher chances of loot drops in the DZ? Sure whatever You want exclusive patches or cosmetics?? fine.
Specific loot for PVE that drops only in the DZ? No thank you