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[Void_Away-]

Lol I'm sorry for not having an approximate % of your own posts , I remember your name but I can't quite place you anywhere in my mind, regardless though, I have faint memories of you complaining and whining, you did the very same thing in here, but your ego made you believe that you are big enough to step on the collective effort of a group of people who've put some effort to come up with some numbers and show that something was in fact wrong (and it was wrong wasn't it? Admitting there was such a thing came afterwards and not before) . If anyone with a dangerous behaviour like yours pop ups be damn sure I'll have some kind of reaction, don't try to step on these people's work and downplay their discussions, and if you have time to judge the essence of all my own posts (thank you very much friend) I'd suggest you to check yourself as well , because your ego is making you think you can just shut people down, let them discuss the subject at hand, if you want to whine yourself about double hit bugs, there are plenty of posts where you can do that, I've participated in many of them.

[FoggyPaws]

Snipped because you don't know what a line break is.

I don't need to search through just your posts, you post so frequently that it's not hard to see your posts, and it's not a compliment. Half the time you're complaining about how a card that isn't even all too broken needs nerfing right that moment without offering any reasonable solutions beyond gutting the card. The other half of the time you're posting about how much RL doesn't give a **** about the community that plays the game and that everything they do is completely unfair.
You forget that you agreed to the ToS, likely without reading it, so whenever something goes south, you get offended like you hadn't already agreed to everything RL decides to do. I'm not discrediting the good posts you make, but they're infrequent.
I digress, I'm not here to get into a pis‎sing match with you. You are not worth my time. 🤷
As for down playing other people's work, I'm not down playing it, I'm disputing it. I don't have a handy dandy screenshot-less text document ASCII table made up to show the lockers I've opened, and the number of double rewards I've gotten. Between the things that my teammates have said, and what I've experienced, I'd have to say that before the PvP ticket doubling was disabled everyone that I know had easily meet the advertised 35% chance. That's 30+ players, all meeting their locker limits daily, who have gotten one free X2 boost per 3 lockers opened if not two. Occasionally someone will open 0 boosted lockers, but the average was there.

The work of others WAS well done, I just think that they needed a larger sample size. We did our work too, we just didn't document it since it wasn't necessary, the PvP tickets were a visual bug. We knew that before Buck ever posted about it, and didn't care because it was a VISUAL bug. It had already been reported in the forums and on Facebook, more posts about it wasn't going to help at that point.

Maybe we got the statistical long end of the stick, but the rough figures that we had pulled pointed to that 35% being true, until the PvP ticket nerf of course. (And all over a visual bug, I got the bug too but I still got the tickets, as did everyone on my team who reported about it.)

Also, I don't have a big ego, I just know how to use a thesaurus. I also don't use run-on sentences with 5-8 commas.

[Void_Away-]

You are not here to get in a pissing match with me yet you attempt to get to me criticising my persona (trying to offend me or whatnot ) and my run on sentences with 5-8 commas . (dot!) I'm sorry I'm just typing this from my phone on the go and really fast without paying much attention to formatting it well, my apologies for that foggy paws.

I must disagree that I say or think everything they do (RL) is completely unfair, I guess you don't pay as much attention to all of my posts to make your earlier 80% estimation after all but I won't reference all of the times I've complimented RL with their good work. The thing is you are missing the point completely when I do show disagreement with some of their practices, but I also can't really disclose or explain you why or it would lose its effect. As of cards that I complain about (which according to you don't really need nerfing) I do of course think I've given solutions that don't gut the card, simple example, hallelujah having a limited aoe, that's not gutting the card at all, and I'm not the only one who's ever given that kind of suggestion. So I think you are just blindly (and inaccurately imo) throwing accusations at me, criticising my writing to in fact discredit and deviate whatever opinion I've had about you in this thread.

I'm not going through your whole history in all of your posts but you feel the need so you can defend yourself, but that's ok buddy. At least you've changed your mind a bit from telling people they don't know how probabilities work to saying their work was well done, and also further explaining your case and your experience without making a fool of the rest of the people's contribution, and that's cool. It's enough for me to drop our little clash now, I let pass your offenses attempts, it's been fun, and I still hope we do in fact get our retribution for the small losses that for some may not be so small.

[Dweebso]

Long personal attack on Void_away, including something on ToS.

Lol get of your high horse. Yes Red Lynx is allowed to do with their game, what they feel like. And since most of us don’t live in China, you have something like freedom of speech.

Reading the forum since the start of the game and void_away was always proposing solutions in the start and that turner into scepticism and now frustration. Maybe that is the most important signal here. Someone caring enough to post in a nearly dead forum regularly, changing from constructive to frustrated. And you start about a ToS. You missed the point mate.

And like Void_away, beloning more frustrated myself too. I don’t derank normally, but with the high requirements of this event and having to work, I thought “hmmm I need the pvp pack probably to make it, why should I act like a saint, while I get on the bad end of lvl22 players regularly at 5k legendary”...

So I did derank, thinking I would only hurt 2 lower level players and have the pvp pack in 5 mins, so can do it in a coffee break. I was at 12k when I started. It weren’t 5 mins... It took full 30 minutes and average level I faced was 21,5, ending at 14k when I reached my pvp pack. What just happened?

So according to you, cause I agreed to the ToS, I now should hail RL, while they introduced a new feature (team wars), where it pays to derank?

Ps: Yes, you can check my account aswell, not have many posts, just creatief my account, as normally my brother was the active one on the forum, but he got disappointed and removed the game a couple of weeks ago, so created my own

[Void_Away-]

Hey Dweebso, I appreciate that you recognized well the situation surrounding my frustration, it's true, I have a lot of that :3.

About the situation with foggy paws, I still think he was wrong for trying to end the discussion about this issue, and that we should move on to real problems, I didn’t like that and I simply felt the need to call him out on that. He also missed the point about me referencing the pre-decided lockers; I never said that means the 35% chance wasn’t there, I specifically said that I still believed, at that point, on that 35%. I was simply referencing the fact that in the past many people didn’t know how that worked, and of course RL has good reasons to have It the way, they do it in case there’s an interruption with the servers, but I was simply referencing that to show that we really don’t know what happens behind the scenes.

When the pre-decided lockers discussion was happening back then, dear Toller actually avoided one of my questions when she gave an answer(or she genuinely missed it) , maybe under orders from higher up, I don’t know, but she wasn’t at the liberty to speak about the actual chance that we have to obtain the good loots. Since she already has a lot of sh1t from me and the others, and she basically takes the responsibility for the whole forum on her own, I decided to not pursue it further. So that’s what I meant with the pre-decided lockers reference, and foggy paws went on to state that it doesn’t matter, that the probability of double loot is unaffected, as if he was the man who wrote the code. Of course, in theory, foggypaws would be right, but again, he missed the point there, but there was no time to discuss about that. As of coming on with his personal attacks, I don’t blame him; he answered how he could because he felt attacked himself, and he caught me frustrated so that wasn’t the best formula either , sorry about that foggy.

I've made long posts trying to be as constructive as possible, I still try to be constructive, but now it’s different because I know developers can’t possibly implement everything of what we would like to see in the game. When I give feedback, even if it carries this frustration I’m not all out aggressive or even passive aggressive unless it’s something dire. I still don't lose sight of the developer's perspective when I give suggestions on how to improve some aspects of the game without forgetting about the pay 2 play users. I still ask for feature requests from time to time, but I’ve already given a lot of feedback, so if I want to post something, it will most likely be to criticize something I don’t agree with and that needs to be changed or improved.

Of course, we are still oblivious on how exactly Redlynx manages itself, so many of the things we may say may fall in an archived file because they really can’t fit more in their schedule that they have for the game. Some people realized this and either stopped posting or went on like me, posting strictly to demand what needs to be changed, the priorities to their eyes. Ahem, and about this double loot situation where people threw some of their greens, I still think that it must be acknowledged, because people’s loyalty to the game and the perception about RL is so fragile I don’t think they should just assume people will forget about it with time, and maybe they will, but the disappointment will remain there.

[FoggyPaws]

Yeah the personal attacks weren't called for. Sorry.
Also I admit the way I word my sentences makes it seem like I know exactly how the game was written on a code level. Most of that is speculation based on what I'm seeing compared to some small projects I've worked on in the past, and how I'd set it up.
Been having a pretty **** week, shouldn't have taken it out on ya.

As for trying to end the conversation, the issue has already been addressed by RL, there isn't much that we can really do from this point on. All we can do is do is wait and see what their announced fix in April will do, and if they send out a compensation pack for those who dumped cash into it before they saw the post on the forums that Buck made.
Talking about something that they've already taken notice of diverts attention to the bigger issues that are still plaguing the game. deranking, falsely detected derank enforcement (if that's an actual thing, I might have missed RL confirming it?), Double-Hit bug, units rubber-banding after NK Blast or other displacement, and Dedicated Server support.

Until the bugfixe goes out, testing can't be done on the x2 chance. I'm willing to take locker screenshots the next time that event happens to find out. I suggest we use the thread and get everyone who follows it involved.
We can get a nice beefy sample size and get more reliable results.

I do have another idea, about how the 35% might be handled. (But hopefully not)
If you were to imagine the locker rewards as a pack of 12 cards, and then turn 35% of them into x2 rewards at random(4.2 rounded to 4), that would render 1/3 of them bonuses. This reduces your chances at bonus rewards of course, now being only 33.33̅%
As far as I remember from what Toller said, the lockers ARE essentially a stack of cards, generating the first three cards first (also increases chance of the best rewards spawning on the first three cards), and then each locker card is generated randomly for the remaining 9 cards, with the rule that the rest of the best loot not generated by the first three cards, are generated in those 9 cards.
I want to assume that each card (pre nerf) has a 35% chance of doubling individually, and not in stack form, because as I said, the pack lowers the overall chance.
I also wonder if they'll do another x2 event before the fix, and if they'll update the graphic to represent the new %chance with PvP tickets disabled.

[Void_Away-]

I'm not sure if I'm missing something with the stack of 12 cards, but maybe you mean 10 instead. Yea who knows how the double loot chance is being handled, hopefully they can fix it, give a retribution, also so people turn their attention back to the rest of the issues. I already identified a few bugs that were allegedly fixed when they released their long list of fixed bugs.

I don't understand completely why whatever fix they applied to these bugs is not working, but I guess is partly because of the non existing client side. As for them displaying the actual double loot, I doubt it but they should otherwise people will continue to spend thinking they can get double pvp tickets.

[FoggyPaws]

I'm not sure if I'm missing something with the stack of 12 cards, but maybe you mean 10 instead. Yea who knows how the double loot chance is being handled, hopefully they can fix it, give a retribution, also so people turn their attention back to the rest of the issues. I already identified a few bugs that were allegedly fixed when they released their long list of fixed bugs.

I don't understand completely why whatever fix they applied to these bugs is not working, but I guess is partly because of the non existing client side. As for them displaying the actual double loot, I doubt it but they should otherwise people will continue to spend thinking they can get double pvp tickets.

Yeah meant 10 not 12, I keep imagining 12 lockers in my head but it's only 10.

[Cural42]

Yeah meant 10 not 12, I keep imagining 12 lockers in my head but it's only 10.

Hi FoggyPaws, nothing specifically to add to the conversation, just wondering if that's your in-game name, too. I just faced a Foggy Paws in PVP, with a 2 phone win, to finish my PVP pack.

[Void_Away-]

Ok, so here we are with another Double loot event, and as expected the actual double loot post nerf from pvp best loot rewards, is not being displayed and people can potentially be tricked into thinking that by spending some of their valuable cash they may get double pvp tickets. Keep in mind not everyone read the forums to be aware of the appology.

To illustrate a bit I'll post screens of my experience:



Ok so I'm missing a good loot with a lot of pvp tickets in it.



At this point I gave up and took away because look at my green cash count, f my sppd life right?. Almost no double loot in anything (of course, because of the tickets nerf), but other people may continue and lose a lot of cash, which for F2P users is a very valuable resource.

In short, some people are still being fd over with their cash stash, and no retribution in sight yet with this ongoing issue.