The Vietnam Veterans and WWII Memorials are both well within the listed boundaries for the TD2 map (available on google images). It looks like the Korean War Memorial, DC War Memorial, Jefferson Memorial, FDR Memorial, and MLK Memorial did not make it in the map boundaries. Obviously the Lincoln Memorial, Washington Monument, Capitol Building, etc., are all in the map.
Here, to make it easier and folks can add to it (at least at release, they may be included in future expansions):
In TD2:
Vietnam Veterans Memorial
Lincoln Memorial
Capitol Building
Washington Monument/ reflection pools
WWII Memorial
Not in TD2:
FDR Memorial
Jefferson Memorial
MLK Memorial
DC War Memorial
Korean War Veterans Memorial
Arlington Cemetery
It should be noted that both the Korean War Veterans Memorial and DC War Memorial appear to be right on the line, but just outside the TD2 map boundaries. So even if we can't go in/ around them, we should at least be able to see them up close. Also keep in mind these are only the memorials. A ton of famous museums are also in the game boundaries, including several of the Smithsonian's.
Of all the memorials/ places I'd like to see added in the future, I'd love to have Arlington Cemetery. It has a lot of cool outdoor/ woodland type areas that would be a fun contrast to the city.
In addition to the 3 forthcoming DLC "episode" expansions later this year, there is also a shortly-after-release expansion called "Tidal Basin." ... Tidal Basin covers the southwest area on the existing map (where currently you can see a 3D model of the Jefferson Memorial). There's a promo video on YT showing that this area is similar to TD1's West Side Piers, as it includes Level 32 opponents aboard a heavily armored navy ship of some type.Originally Posted by Jedi5150 Go to original post
The 2nd DLC episode (coming this fall) is called Pentagon: Last Castle, and since that covers the map area even further southwest (beyond the perimeter Potomac of the current map), that expansion might include Arlington (which was shown in the E3 promo ad last summer, and the background image here on this forum page.)
I'm not sure if there are licensing issues preventing Ubi/Massive from using/including/showing certain locations in their version of D.C. (similar to why iconic brands are replaced by generics) but I noticed the real-life Reagan Int'l Trade Center was replaced in game by the fictional Jefferson Trade Center (same architecture and location), and the Newseum (which in real life is closing next winter, having sold its existing facilities already due to losing money on ticketed admissions) appears in TD2 as the fictional "ViewPoint" museum.
The 1st DLC episode expansion (June? dealing w/ Outskirts lost convoy) will probably open the area north of the existing map, since that current map area already looks fairly detailed even in its grey out-of-bounds rendition.
No word yet on whether Ubi/Massive plans on recreating TD2 variations on TD1's Underground, Survival, etc. but I'm hoping maybe they'll get to those in Year 2 expansions since I loved the TD1 versions and would like to see underneath D.C. and perhaps survive a hurricane-type scenario survival royale.
Yeah, no on Arlington. That's hallowed ground 'round here.Originally Posted by Jedi5150 Go to original post
Based on what SailorBlume said above you, it sounds like it's coming.Originally Posted by III_Hammer_III Go to original post
I do hear what you're saying, but game devs have never really shied away from including hallowed ground in their content, and I'm not completely against their decision. I think no matter how sacred something is, we need the ability to separate real life from entertainment. I've seen things happen in real life that gave me some issues, and when I see something similar in movies or games, I'll admit, it does strike a nerve, but I just have to remind myself that it's not real, and then I move on. Pripyat, Flanders Fields, Omaha Beach, etc., are just a few examples of hallowed ground that have appeared in multiple games.
I once met a girl from Pripyat. I'm sure she would have taken issue with Call of Duty 4 or STALKER. As it was, she was a big WoW fan. Maybe Azeroth was fictional enough not to give her nightmares.
Realistically when it's surrounded by so many free cultural exhibits like the Smithsonian, monuments, etc. the Newseum's $26 price per person was not appealing to many would-be visitors who might otherwise have considered including it on their tours.
If some wealthy childless tycoon had financed the Newseum via a dedicated endowment (like what happened originally for the Smithsonian), that along w/ private/corporate contributions, membership dues, and retail, concession, and licensing revenue would have allowed it to survive and compete. (During high school I used to be a member and subscriber of the Smithsonian). As-is, the Newseum's $26 tickets were actually insufficient to cover costs despite over 800k visitors annually, so the mismanaging administrators were actually losing money with every visitor.
D.C. gets around 20 million tourists a year so less than 5% were willing to pay the extra price for a Newseum visit.