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  1. #1

    Nerf orochi and vortiger

    These two characters are simply the two most annoying and OP heroes in te game. Now, there are also other spammable characters but at least they require solid training ilke with the centurion but even a ****** would be able to use vortiger or orochi. You could teach a random guy that has never heard of for honor how to do a shield bash or how to click the left ****ing mouse button and he will often win against a reasonably high ranked player, comeon, tf. These people that main orochi or vortiger most of the times have no skill at all and I honestly do not understand how they don't get bored of a game if all they do is use an OP hero and spam.
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    Orochi, I don't know man. Mentioning Orochi and Black Prior in the same sentence like this is not really something that is true. BP is definitely overtuned, or rather his 500ms 20dmg bash with no recovery is.
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  3. #3
    I am not a great player and I don’t play against the top people, but no one seems to have trouble dodging a lot of my shield bashes, zones or parrying my attacks. Sick of all this nerf Vortiger talk. If people at my level are not having trouble than it can’t be that big of an issue.
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    I am a newb, I've been playing for a couple weeks (Rep 10) and I struggled a lot against orochi. I played orochi a bit to learn the class and got used to the basics. Now I rarely have trouble with any of them (unless the player really knows how to play and isn't a one trick pony).

    I main conqueror (Rep 8), when fighting orochi I usually bait them into hitting my full guard stance by feinting from heavy, after that I flail uppercut and chain a few lights mixed with shield charges. It works wonders on most of them, sometimes that combo is enough to win the round unscathed. Some players start mixing guard breaks (I'm very bad at reacting to GB, I have yet to counter any on reaction), lights and dodge attacks. That's when you need to be creative and start mixing things too and pray you are fast enough to react or the orochi player bites your bait. Usually backpedalling and giving them space is enough do not stay there trying to block all these lights.

    I guess it is possible with different characters, harder too, feint, parry the direction they dodged to, and assault them from there.

    I have yet to get used to black prior (and many others), but (perhaps because I am still a newb or my rank is still very low) I rarely find any black prior giving me trouble. Most of the time I try to keep distance, when you are too close to them they drain your stamina really fast and then you are as good as dead. Stay just out of reach or almost out of reach, and have them start attacking (most of the BP I have fought open with an unblockable shield charge or a flashy, but telegraphed and easily parryable side attack), then dodge and punish. Some other times I suddenly switch from backpedalling to attacking.

    When using my shaman I usually try hit and run, never staying near the black prior. Anyway, do not trust me on this one, because I am very bad with shaman, I am still learning her and lose a lot of duels with her.

    It is not the best advice in the world, I am talking from my experience (and I am still learning), but at my level of skill it is the best I can offer and it works for me.

    Best regards.

    Feel free to correct me. I am a newb and english isn't my main language.
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    Originally Posted by DDSDevilDog Go to original post
    I am not a great player and I don’t play against the top people, but no one seems to have trouble dodging a lot of my shield bashes, zones or parrying my attacks. Sick of all this nerf Vortiger talk. If people at my level are not having trouble than it can’t be that big of an issue.
    It's not that anyone thinks his bash is too hard to dodge or his attacks are too hard to parry. The problem most people have is that BPs recovery after his bash is so low that there isn't a way for most characters in the game to punish him for missing his bash. The BP is free to continue using his bash over and over with no risk. Other characters who miss their bashes in the game are able to be hit with either a dodge attack, or a dodge and free Gaurd Break. A lot of people also feel like his 20 damage after a bash is too high for a bash that is that quick and easy to land.
    And yes, high level players are saying his recovery after a bash is too high.
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    Orochi is a brain dead hero that literally destroyed the experience of the game on ps4.and the ******ed kenshi side spammers both of them very very bad design.
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  7. #7
    I am an orochi main, and before the spam spam talk listen. his lights are just as fast as everyone else, 500ms, the reason you have trouble with him is unlike valk or pk or hell any other hero is, that's just about his only move. storm rush and riptide are good at the right time but easy to punish, a simple light stops the attack, not to mention you can GB him almost the whole back step. blocking him is easy and throws off his whole move set, I fought a guy who talked crap about me using orochi so i changed up and destroyed him trying to use him. if they never throw anything but lights just block him, learn to faint then counter his dodge. but OP he is not, no bash or unblockable, and takes for ever to kill a decent turtle. BP is just over tuned because of the recovery timing issue, which they have addressed. after that he should be less light bash light spamy.
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    I fell you dude, but you are wrong. i remember being on your place, struggling with Orochi like he was super strong. well let me tell you a secret- Git gud. Orochi is one of the weakest characters in the game because of his OFFENCE. i understand that you might not give the game too much time or just that you are new to the game, but believe me (as an past Orochi main) that he isn't a problem. you just need to get a little more experience. he is annoying now, but trust me once you get better you gonna expect an easy match when fighting an Orochi.
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  9. #9
    Black Prior is obviously overpowered, but the Orochi is not.
    There are far more broken heroes that need to be changed and Orochi is not on that list.
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  10. #10
    Orochi is bad at high levels,sorry to say.
    Black prior is in a bad state right now because you can dodge his bash on his dodge and punish him with a guardbreak for 30 plus damage every single time.His bash tracking should be buffed.
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