Either nerf Warden and Conqueror bashes with BP bash or don't nerf BP bash | Forums

[Liduras]

Everyone is complaining about the fast recovery of BP's bashes, because the only way to counter it is dodging early by guessing. But Warden's and Conqueror's bashes can not be countered on reaction too.

If BP deserves a nerf because his bashes can not be countered on reaction, Warden and Conqueror deserve nerfs too because their bashes also can not be countered on reaction.

BP's bash is also weaker than Warden's and Conqueror's bashes. It can be dodged on reaction, so even if you guess it wrong, you can still avoid it on reaction. But if you guess wrong against Conqueror, you take guaranteed damage. If you guess wrong against Warden, you take almost guaranteed damage and guessing right against a Warden is much harder.

Warden deals 18 damage after a SB, BP deals 20 damage. Warden has much higher chance to land a GB (30 damage), has much lower chance of taking damage, and he has more than 50% chance of dealing damage. Warden's SB is obviously much stronger.

Either nerf Warden and Conqueror with BP or don't nerf BP. The Warden SB meta is finally over with BP. Pls don't bring the Warden SB meta again.

[MuscleTech12018]

Everyone is complaining about the fast recovery of BP's bashes, because the only way to counter it is dodging early by guessing. But Warden's and Conqueror's bashes can not be countered on reaction too.

Aaaand here o stoped reading your post.

[guest-4xn53EA8]

Aaaand here o stoped reading your post.

Same. Dude doesn't know what he's saying.

[Knight_Raime]

Aaaand here o stoped reading your post.

Hes correct though. You can't punish eithers mix up on reaction. Dodging on their dodge only avoids the buffered bash (conq) and the uncharged bash (warden) and empty dodge into GB.

They both have more to their bash mix ups and thus are not countered on reaction. If both mix ups were perfectly reactable they would not be considered relatively safe or strong offensively by the competitive community.

I don't agree with not nerfing BP's bash recovery. But the OP has some what of a point.

[Liduras]

Aaaand here o stoped reading your post.

"As a Warden/Conqueror main, i can't find an argument to defend the brokenly OP Warden/Conqueror bash, so i will write "stopped reading" as my response"

is basically what you said.

[Liduras]

Same. Dude doesn't know what he's saying.

Then explain this: Why do you think it is balanced when Warden and Conqueror have unreactable bashes but it is OP when another hero has a bash that can not be countered on reaction? There is no reason to think like that except for being a Warden/Conqueror main.

[Devils-_-legacy]

I think they all need toned down in recovery or follow up damage and there kit expanded (I like bps kit tho) they all feel like one trick pony's

[pretoastedwaffl]

They all need some changes and hopefully ubi have seen my suggestions and other peoples ideas on how to tone them down a little.

[UbiInsulin]

We've sent feedback on all the usual suspects re: bashes (Conq, Warden, and now BP). I don't personally have an update on what types of tweaks are being considered, but we've definitely noted the concern.

[Devils-_-legacy]

We've sent feedback on all the usual suspects re: bashes (Conq, Warden, and now BP). I don't personally have an update on what types of tweaks are being considered, but we've definitely noted the concern.

my biggest concern is the amount you need to rely on them if your using these heros if they are tweaked there kits needs some compensation of sorts