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[TimeToCrusade]

Yeah sure they will fix him like they said they will fix JJ's animations..oh wait they didnt, another pathethic argument, they will not fix it and if they do it's gonna be in months so "people" like you can pat their ego winning as BP. You play vortiger, you know nothing about balance, you never were the underdog in a match, don't you dare say anything to someone who has a clear head about the new char, new heroes were always released broken, end of story, you are not good because you win with vortiger, you win because you bought some an advantage. Don't ever talk to me like that again,

[TimeToCrusade]

"You go back crying on conq gdsgsdgfdgfrd" well idk maybe he is broken and needs fixing? You scum abusers don't even pretend, you guys are so obnoxious you want to abuse and you want people to shut up about balance issues. Your kind is the worst on litteraly every online game, disgusting self entitled little twats

[BunnyBuggs]

now now u dont need to be toxic here.
i was most of time the underdog in a match because i played kensei from the very beginning , before his rework , then i played lawbringer and shugo.
those are my starter heroes.
my top 5 heroes on fhtracker are warden , kensei , LB , orochi (before rework) and conq after rework.
i just play the hero i like the most , not the one that is OP that moment.
and i dont abuse the bash so if i win then its in a fair way

[SpaceJim12]

Well, I have to say I'm not BP main. After all I just like his style, and appropriate knight after all. I have 10 rep LB.

Let me do this:

Yeah sure he is balanced and all, right right...now go play LB into him, and you will understand why he is nowhere NEAR balanced.

It's could sounds strange, but BP is really balanced. Yes, he on the highr level, then not reworked old cast, but this not BP problem.

Weakness of LB not BP problem. Same as weakness of Nobushi it's not JJ problem. All old characters need real rework just to bring them on the same line, as new characters are. Look at Glad now. He looks so OP on the start. Now you'll barely see Gladiator in the game. They easy to counter and have zero tools to stop Wu Lin or BP. Same for Shinobi after all.

I could say I crushed BPs with LB, but there are a lot about skill difference. And it's even not a week, since BP became avaliable for everyone. And still I met a lot people, who can kill me as BP. cause I'm not that good in For Honor after all.=)

[TimeToCrusade]

Yeah maybe thats the whole problem, too much kids ready to pay for op new heroes, so we get power creep all over the place, how about releasing heroes that were on the same level as the old cast? Right, it does not bring enough money, how about people dont pay 40e a year for new heroes a week in advance? Right, some people have such an ego problem they need this...FeelsBadMan

[SpaceJim12]

Yeah maybe thats the whole problem, too much kids ready to pay for op new heroes, so we get power creep all over the place, how about releasing heroes that were on the same level as the old cast? Right, it does not bring enough money, how about people dont pay 40e a year for new heroes a week in advance? Right, some people have such an ego problem they need this...FeelsBadMan

Why don't buy him for steel now? I didn't buy Marching Fire, still I knew new faction heroes will be OP compared with old cast. But I paid my money for Black Prior. I have 15k steel for him, but I think it's the way of For Honor i want to support. One hero per faction, less "add 400ms soft feint to heavy" ********. I really like what Ubi did with Prior and overall year 3 start. Sure, Prior is strong. Why not? Just becuse of Lawbringer need rework? Don't you think it's stupid.

[pretoastedwaffl]

BP is definitely at the top with conqueror beserker and jj.

[LedgeAllegiance]

In my opinion, I think a lot of the issue with the new characters is that they dont have any punish after missing an ub. They can all light out.

Another issue is old characters need rework before they can really be on par with all the new heroes.

Still doesnt mean BP isnt very strong. Idk about 1v1 cause I mainly play dominion but majority of my matches are 2-3 BP on other team. So I'm mostly getting bashed spammed and when I finally get revenge after 5+ sb it just gets removed. Not to mention the shielding of teammates from across the map or behind obstacles. Very frustrating but more on ubi part for thinking that would be ok.

Think the recovery time of all BP sb need to be increase and not allow invulnerability during flip. Should be like shugo hug or if he gets hit he cant do the attack. I've played him and the bs isnt that hard to pull off in 4v4 and really op in a lot of 4v4 situations.

[pretoastedwaffl]

That and doing 20 damage for such a fast bash. It's so difficult to deal with

[Knight_Raime]

Now that the 99% of people who answered "we need to wait until we figure BP out (:" to ANY concern about the character can't say that anymore let's discuss this hero:

Without question the best char in the game, anybody who says otherwise is either idiot or based (note: you can be both !) but I wanna discuss here why, and go over what has not been said but first: his bash

The 2nd most ridiculous move in the game, and certainly the most unskilled, we all know that, they all spam it and it will never get nerfed we all know that. With that out of the way let's go over the rest

Bulwark: the most OP move in the game, but not the most unskilled, litterally counters anything but gb, makes him invulnerable and all, this one does not shine yet since SB will take care of 99% of players with ease. However please note that when we will see some actual good BP, this move will be unstoppable. "good" BP here means someone with above average reflexes, aka the only way you are "good" at this game. So this one needs some time to shine but take my word for it, its even worse than the SB in the "right" hands

Damage: Above the rooftop, disgusting, and it all comes down to the SB punish, 20dmg per 500ms lights, compared that to LB 600ms and you understand how unbalanced this game is

recovery time: non existent, on anything he does, even his roll is fast as hell, not bad for a "heavy", the main problem here comes down to the 0 recovery from getting out of bulwark and ESPECIALLY the SB, which you cannot punish

tracking and range: God this one is maybe the worst of it all when fighting him, undodgeable attacks with waaaay more range than the size of his sowrd may appear. I was not used to not being able to run away from a heavy, also his attacks all feel like zones, always hitting anyone in a teamfigh. Special shoutout to the range on the shieldbash from heavy softfeint, disgusting

feats: the best of the best, topping even the wu lins, his level 1 shield has such a short cd you don't believe it at first and it's range is disgusting tbh, you can shield teamates from below them or through walls, the bulwark healing prevents bleed and fire dmg, as well as some great sustain if used right in a 1v1 situation (which most people dont do yet, i'll give you that), I won't comment on the shield deleting and we come to his 4th ability. Lots (and i mean LOTS) of people told it would be super weak and so balanced since it had limited range compared to phalanx, However It is actually waaay better here's why: most people will use phalanx to save their *** or in a teamfight, almost never to save teamates from across the map, and it refreshes the shielding multiple times, making all your team virtually unkillable for the duration, and the radius is plenty enough to cover any teamfights you'll get yourself in, on the bright side, couldown seems somewhat decent, not like the 1st shield

How does he perform ?
Well in duel and brawl it's just SB spam and free win into trashtalking obviously but it is in 4v4 that the cancer really spreads everywhere
BP gank squad have only one counter: quitting out, pure and simple, you will get SB to death, and won't even get your revenge to compensate. They will shields each other to death at a rate of about one shield every 12sc, and you will get harassed by undodgeable attacks from all sides.

It is worse than season 2 centurion, it is worse than current goki gank squads (which are already a 10/10 when it comes to being unfun to play against

Conclusion: as expected by the 1 in a 100 player who is not high on crack, BP is totally OP, unfun to play against and is just another cashgrab from Ubi, which succeeded spectacularly, like ANY other op char he will likely never get fixed since Ubi doest care about the state of the game since they realised it would not become a competitive game. It will stay like this forever minus possibly 2dmg taken off his light which will change nothing since all light attacks should do <10dmg in the first place.

Please do try to tell me otherwise or tell me if I missed something about this WONDERFUL and FRESH hero

note: he is also such a damn edgelord its embarassing

"Without question the best char in the game, anybody who says otherwise is either idiot or based (note: you can be both !)"

Not a great start.

"his bash the 2nd most ridiculous move in the game"

As far as bash based offense goes it's really one of the more tame ones. It's not protected by anything (like how conq's is guarded with superior block on dodge) it's telegraphed unlike tiandi's palm or glad's zone. It can't chain into something if it whiffs like Tiandi's palm. It has the worst range of any bash in the game sans maybe the dodge forward bash on glad with basically no tracking. And it can only be done from a forward dodge. Aside from the current bug the only horrible thing about it is how inconsistent punishing it is. Only glad's zone can be said to also be inconsistent to punish. If I had to say any bash based offense was actually busted it would be shinobi's slide tackle.

"Bulwark: the most OP move in the game, but not the most unskilled, litterally counters anything but gb, makes him invulnerable and all, this one does not shine yet since SB will take care of 99% of players with ease. However please note that when we will see some actual good BP, this move will be unstoppable"

Bullwark will not shine even after bash being adjusted because it ends your offense for not a strong damage amount. In duels you're better off sticking to pressuring someone. And it's VERY unsafe to try and use against a proper gank. as it's very vulnerable to GB based setups. The fact that you're damage immune is a blunder that should be addressed. So should the fact that the people he flips do not get damage reduction like basically every other pin type move in the game. The only other issue is that someone with strong timing can leave BW on reaction to a feint since leaving is only 100ms. But this really is only an issue for duels. And even then it's something that likely won't be seen by most of the population to begin with. Likely the only reason to ever use BW counter in duels is on the few cases where you can receive hitstun for an attack and still pull a counter. Like shaolin's light into buffered kick.

"Damage"

It's really only his finishers that are out liers. his max punishes are not the strongest compared to a handful of other heros. Once the bug is fixed he won't be getting 40 damage on crushing counter anymore. Which is really the only pain point imho. But i'm totally fine with taking light/heavy finishers down a few points.

"recovery time: non existent, on anything he does, even his roll is fast as hell, not bad for a "heavy", the main problem here comes down to the 0 recovery from getting out of bulwark and ESPECIALLY the SB, which you cannot punish"

Hyperbolic statements do not help your case. His roll is the exact same recovery as everyone elses. He actually has some quite high recoveries on his finishers, soft feint bash, and zone. It's mainly just his bash that is an outlier. Which has a recovery of 600ms. Which means it's absolutely punishable. just inconsistently so. It should be addressed.

"tracking and range: God this one is maybe the worst of it all when fighting him, undodgeable attacks with waaaay more range than the size of his sowrd may appear. I was not used to not being able to run away from a heavy, also his attacks all feel like zones, always hitting anyone in a teamfigh. Special shoutout to the range on the shieldbash from heavy softfeint, disgusting"

His undodgables don't have more range than any other undodgable attack. I can't speak to his AoE potential. But it doesn't feel anything close to kensei or JJ from my limited experience of him in 4's with him. If you're getting hit by his soft feint bash that's entirely on you. It's super telegraphed with decently high recovery and absolutely abysmal side tracking. The only thing it's decent for is a target swap attack. and even then that's pushing it.

"feats"

JJ has a banned feat for competitive 4v4. None of BP's are. His first specific feat is meh. it's roughly the same amount of shield Tiandi gets with his feat when he hits critical. It's not game changing. His level 2 feats are garbage besides his specific one which is nice. But it's not insanely strong. Oath breaker is not competitive viable for it's cooldown of 2 minutes. You barely shave anytime off of killing someone in an optimal gank by using it. Tough as nails is the good perk here. And while his 4th might be situationally better compared to phalanx morale booster is just straight better. The kill times for you and all effected allies are insane. Much more value. So yeah. His specific perks are not insanely great. I think you need to go look into some competitive 4's to understand what is and isn't a good feat. Because my take away from here is you don't get 4's at a competitive level.

"How does he perform"

In order to win in duels you need to utilize almost his full kit. Straight bash spam will only work against people who are not competent players. with his current bug and recovery time on bash he is S tier. But once both are fixed (and likely with other adustments) he'll probably be bottom S tier or high A tier. Berzerker is still a far better duelist. Conq is still far safer defensively and offensively compared to him. And Warden's Bash based interactions are more powerful. BP is just propped up by recovery time and the bug. In 4's JJ is still better overall. BP has basically no chase down and alright gank. he's not amazing at lane clearing either. And due to 90% of his offense being a bash of some kind he feeds a lot of revenge. The only thing BP excels at in 4's is single picking same with berzerker. But because both lack in chase down they both suffer in 4's.

"It is worse than season 2 centurion, it is worse than current goki gank squads (which are already a 10/10 when it comes to being unfun to play against"

Uh nope. And goki's entire offense is rolled. Nor does he have an answer to bash based offense. Headbutt is nearly a dead move in 4s and actually dead for duels.

Can't wait to be slandered and my opinion thrown out because I don't agree with everything stated here.