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[TimeToCrusade]

Now that the 99% of people who answered "we need to wait until we figure BP out (:" to ANY concern about the character can't say that anymore let's discuss this hero:

Without question the best char in the game, anybody who says otherwise is either idiot or based (note: you can be both !) but I wanna discuss here why, and go over what has not been said but first: his bash

The 2nd most ridiculous move in the game, and certainly the most unskilled, we all know that, they all spam it and it will never get nerfed we all know that. With that out of the way let's go over the rest

Bulwark: the most OP move in the game, but not the most unskilled, litterally counters anything but gb, makes him invulnerable and all, this one does not shine yet since SB will take care of 99% of players with ease. However please note that when we will see some actual good BP, this move will be unstoppable. "good" BP here means someone with above average reflexes, aka the only way you are "good" at this game. So this one needs some time to shine but take my word for it, its even worse than the SB in the "right" hands

Damage: Above the rooftop, disgusting, and it all comes down to the SB punish, 20dmg per 500ms lights, compared that to LB 600ms and you understand how unbalanced this game is

recovery time: non existent, on anything he does, even his roll is fast as hell, not bad for a "heavy", the main problem here comes down to the 0 recovery from getting out of bulwark and ESPECIALLY the SB, which you cannot punish

tracking and range: God this one is maybe the worst of it all when fighting him, undodgeable attacks with waaaay more range than the size of his sowrd may appear. I was not used to not being able to run away from a heavy, also his attacks all feel like zones, always hitting anyone in a teamfigh. Special shoutout to the range on the shieldbash from heavy softfeint, disgusting

feats: the best of the best, topping even the wu lins, his level 1 shield has such a short cd you don't believe it at first and it's range is disgusting tbh, you can shield teamates from below them or through walls, the bulwark healing prevents bleed and fire dmg, as well as some great sustain if used right in a 1v1 situation (which most people dont do yet, i'll give you that), I won't comment on the shield deleting and we come to his 4th ability. Lots (and i mean LOTS) of people told it would be super weak and so balanced since it had limited range compared to phalanx, However It is actually waaay better here's why: most people will use phalanx to save their *** or in a teamfight, almost never to save teamates from across the map, and it refreshes the shielding multiple times, making all your team virtually unkillable for the duration, and the radius is plenty enough to cover any teamfights you'll get yourself in, on the bright side, couldown seems somewhat decent, not like the 1st shield

How does he perform ?
Well in duel and brawl it's just SB spam and free win into trashtalking obviously but it is in 4v4 that the cancer really spreads everywhere
BP gank squad have only one counter: quitting out, pure and simple, you will get SB to death, and won't even get your revenge to compensate. They will shields each other to death at a rate of about one shield every 12sc, and you will get harassed by undodgeable attacks from all sides.

It is worse than season 2 centurion, it is worse than current goki gank squads (which are already a 10/10 when it comes to being unfun to play against

Conclusion: as expected by the 1 in a 100 player who is not high on crack, BP is totally OP, unfun to play against and is just another cashgrab from Ubi, which succeeded spectacularly, like ANY other op char he will likely never get fixed since Ubi doest care about the state of the game since they realised it would not become a competitive game. It will stay like this forever minus possibly 2dmg taken off his light which will change nothing since all light attacks should do <10dmg in the first place.

Please do try to tell me otherwise or tell me if I missed something about this WONDERFUL and FRESH hero

note: he is also such a damn edgelord its embarassing

[TimeToCrusade]

My apologies I just now realise how hard to read this is

[ChampionRuby50g]

BP isn’t the best character in the game. There are better picks, Beserker been one of them. To say BP is better than Zerk is just plain wrong.

[TimeToCrusade]

Nope, anything zerk does is countered by bulwark and zerk is just as vulnerable to his SB an anyone. Don't get me wrong, zerk is dumb, OP but vortiger is better, dumber, has better feats and he's unbearable in ganks. Although thanks for the exemple of how ubi NEVER nerfs an op char

[ChampionRuby50g]

And zerk can simply counter bulwark by feinting a heavy into GB. Zerks hyper Armor outclasses everything else in BPs kit. Zerk can also punish the SB with his dodge attack on reaction I believe, someone else confirm though?

[TimeToCrusade]

I dont think he can, the SB has 0 recovery on whiff, also a "good" BP can just get out of bulwark when zerk feints, or just not use it when zerk goes for a heavy and only use it on lights. Just like people who parry everything don"t get baited by heavy into gb. But I agree zerk HA needs to be removed pure and simple OR get his hp down to 70/80

[SpaceJim12]

Did you try to play BP? Bulwark Counter never near OP, it's too hard to use proper. New Shugo looks way harder to deal with. Warden still better, then BP (maybe, I feel it cause play him to rep 22), and almost every character could spam something. All Wu Lin can spam kick/palm etc. Valk can spam shield Bash, SB for Warden, even Warlord with his head butt.
It's could sounds strange, but BP is really balanced. Yes, he on the highr level, then not reworked old cast, but this not BP problem.

[BunnyBuggs]

my bp is almost rep 10 and from my experience he is def a good balanced hero exept the bash yes , if u abuse it then u can win alot.
but im not abusing it and my win rate is around 50/50 , i suggest to evryone that is saying that he is OP to go and play him at higher skill lvl in 1v1.
on paper he look OP but in reality its not like on paper.
to get the BS working u need very good timings with heavy feint heroes and zerker is def one of them.
i almost never use the BS because they get me way to much with GB.
ofc if ppl are using the same paterns every round its easy to adapt and starting to use BS properly.
but in higher skill matches ppl dont use the same patern in all the rounds.
with some tweaks here and there he is a well balanced hero in my eyes ( if u are not abusing the bash)
just my 2 cents here.

[TimeToCrusade]

Yeah sure he is balanced and all, right right...now go play LB into him, and you will understand why he is nowhere NEAR balanced. It is actually not even close. Always the BP players who say he is fine..I wonder why (:

Here are my 2 cents: BP is OP, he needs a true nerf, like a lot of other heroes, too many dumb moves that work too well, a char is as strong as his strongest move in this game. You can't go play a hero that gets 35dmg (40 ? dont remember) on light bash light in a game that has heroes that have nothing guaranteed of their bash and lights that deal 12dmg for 600ms and say this is balanced. Your opinion are based, not saying it in a mean way, but you play him so you obviously want him to remain god tier, I get that

[Siegfried-Z]

BP kit himself is not that OP.

But to be perfectly fine i think his SB after a light should be slighly slower and have a decent recovery. Or even remoove from his kit.
Because this is the things all BP are spamming. They stop doing this once you show you can light parry them (which freeze them a bit on console).

Even without this SB, BP would still have the classic dodge SB, the sf SB on heavy opener and his zone . That's still a lot of bash. Enough for a char which have undodgeable, UB, good lights dmg and Bullwark.

But as i think it would never happen, then the speed and recovery from this SB should be look at.

Except from that i think he is very well designed.

But, that being said.
OP post i have To disagree with many things you said.
1/ BP dmg are not above others char. Only his light finisher should be slighly reduce because of how easy it is To Hey it currently. JJ still have the most ridicoulous dmg.
2/ BP feats arent the best. JJ still got the Gold for that .
3/ BP aoe is nothing spécial . .. sorry but JJ again has the best AOE in the game.

At the end looking at your comment, most of your complain should make your thread title change for JJ.
Except about the SB.
But still... BP isnt the worst SB char .. Conq for this one :/