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[VougishMan]

I'm actually not really upset by anything about this season so far. Black prior seems like a good hero who's got a a decent kit but not unbeatable by any means, love the rework on shugo (it's so refreshing seeing this long time iconic character finally getting some love that didn't break him. He's a real threat now and I'm happy for the shugo players coming out of the woodwork to pick him back up) and the new map looks good. Can't speak for the changes to warlord or PK as I've yet to fight any but id love to hear feedback from those players.


All in all well done Ubisoft, well done indeed!

[Star.Princess]

Are you joking? Have you ever tried to play for or against Black Prior? He killed this game for the time until he get very big nerf. He doesn't need his decent kit, just go to the training and make Black Prior bot blocking, counter guardbreak and doing shieldbash then try to punish him for Orochi for example. Also Black Prior can counter 400ms lights in combo, he can permanently use stance after any block and stay for a second then leave it, he will block 400ms lights, he will block heavy and he will counter guardbreak, it is absolutely invulnerable character for Orochi or Tiandi. If he fight against Kensei for example, all what he can is making zone or side lights, because his dodge attacks or guardbreak are useless against Black Prior, because low recovery.

All in all well done Ubisoft, well done indeed!

[Vakris_One]

Are you joking? Have you ever tried to play for or against Black Prior? He killed this game for the time until he get very big nerf. He doesn't need his decent kit, just go to the training and make Black Prior bot blocking, counter guardbreak and doing shieldbash then try to punish him for Orochi for example. Also Black Prior can counter 400ms lights in combo, he can permanently use stance after any block and stay for a second then leave it, he will block 400ms lights, he will block heavy and he will counter guardbreak, it is absolutely invulnerable character for Orochi or Tiandi. If he fight against Kensei for example, all what he can is making zone or side lights, because his dodge attacks or guardbreak are useless against Black Prior, because low recovery.

All in all well done Ubisoft, well done indeed!

Try not spamming attacks and instead mix in hard/soft feints into GB. You have to adapt how you fight against a Black Prior. You can't expect the same stuff to keep working against every new character that comes out. This has been the case every single time we have gotten a new hero added to the game without exception, from Centurion and Shinobi onwards.

[VougishMan]

You can guard break him when he enters his stance, his light and heavy attacks can be parried, his shield bash is just as reactable as conqs, valks and warlords (all of whom can also be guard broken when they enter full block stance) the only true bad thing is the OOS punish which Ubi has already stated wasn't intentional and are working on a fix.

Mayhaps you need to go into a custom match with a friend and actually work on what you're struggling with against this character because aside from his feats and his ability to counter any attack with his bulwark stance ability (I forget what the move is called) there's not that much of a difference. You're worried about his ability to counter 400m lights but I think you're giving too much credit to the character and not enough to the players who can actually counter light spamming players. After all, the bulwark stance flip ( again I forget what it's called) does have similar timing to a party, so I can't imagine experienced players have too much trouble implementing the same concept.

I get that new heroes can be tough to deal with because not everyone knows there move sets and it can be tricky but black prior doesn't even have that many combos. Two lights, two heavies, light heavy, heavy light. His unlockable comes from bulwark stance and is slow enough to react to and his zone attack is basically a modified shield bash that does stun damage only (and from what I've seen doesn't even wall splat, could be wrong, gonna science that later).

Take my advice and get into the habit of learning how to do more than light attacks because if that's honestly you're only case for why you can't beat BP then you are in need of some desperate need of practice.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Asking an orochi or tiandi to not spam is like asking a bird to not fly.

Peacekeeper is still terribly weak to the point that it is very hard to even notice the changes. I think it would have taken me a few days at least to find out there were any changes at all if I wouldn't know about it. It's a patch on an amputated limb level buff, and I guess the doctor will call it a day and move on to other patients. At least we will have a new terrible character now that shugoki is buffed.

[Star.Princess]

Try not spamming attacks and instead mix in hard/soft feints into GB. You have to adapt how you fight against a Black Prior. You can't expect the same stuff to keep working against every new character that comes out. This has been the case every single time we have gotten a new hero added to the game without exception, from Centurion and Shinobi onwards.

"This has been the case every single time we have gotten a new hero added to the game without exception"
What has been??? Practically unpunishable moves? Character without any weaknesses? HIS BASH UNPUNISHABLE??? HOW TO ADAPT TO THIS???? He can be punished in training also if you pixelhunting, practically is is unreal to punish this thing. It is very, very, very OP, even Centurion in Season 2 wasn't unreactable, he had weaknesses, he was good in duel and gank, but he was still trash 1vs2, but Black Prior have no weakness at all, unpunishable bash, which can be countered only by predict, best OOS pressure even without bash after light, because 20dmg 500ms bashes with stamina drain, and very decent kit which he don't need, he is OP, if you split his movesets for 2 characters they would be OP too. He need very big nerf, not even broken bash after light when OOS, but reduce bash damage, nerf stance, make bash punishable, and remove bash after light or remove simple bash and then give bash after heavy.

[rottmeister]

^ Aren't his shieldbashes the exact same as Conq's with the exception that BP's do more damage, can't be initiated with a dodge and don't have superior dodge property? If Conq's bash is punishable then how isn't BP's? Unless you're exclusively talking about his bash OOS. In that case it should be fixed soon, I hope.

Edit: it was a genuine question. I haven't played For Honor season 9 yet.

[Knight_Raime]

^ Aren't his shieldbashes the exact same as Conq's with the exception that BP's do more damage, can't be initiated with a dodge and don't have superior dodge property? If Conq's bash is punishable then how isn't BP's? Unless you're exclusively talking about his bash OOS. In that case it should be fixed soon, I hope.

Edit: it was a genuine question. I haven't played For Honor season 9 yet.

Black prior's bash from neutral can be dodged and GBed but the timing is tight. Unsure if it's tighter than conq's or not. It's the bash after an attack that you can't dodge and GB because the recovery on it is pretty fast.

[Knight_Raime]

"This has been the case every single time we have gotten a new hero added to the game without exception"
What has been??? Practically unpunishable moves? Character without any weaknesses? HIS BASH UNPUNISHABLE??? HOW TO ADAPT TO THIS???? He can be punished in training also if you pixelhunting, practically is is unreal to punish this thing. It is very, very, very OP, even Centurion in Season 2 wasn't unreactable, he had weaknesses, he was good in duel and gank, but he was still trash 1vs2, but Black Prior have no weakness at all, unpunishable bash, which can be countered only by predict, best OOS pressure even without bash after light, because 20dmg 500ms bashes with stamina drain, and very decent kit which he don't need, he is OP, if you split his movesets for 2 characters they would be OP too. He need very big nerf, not even broken bash after light when OOS, but reduce bash damage, nerf stance, make bash punishable, and remove bash after light or remove simple bash and then give bash after heavy.

Black prior has clear cut weaknesses. You can argue that they're not reasonable enough due to the tight timing required. But to state he has none is factually incorrect.
What Vakris was trying to get you to understand is that the approach to handling a competent Black prior is different. Handling him is different for two reasons. The first being prior heros dlc and reworked either ask you to dodge and GB or parry in a limited offense.

Black prior has substantial pressure from neutral from both offense and defense. So already dealing with him is asking more of you than you're used to. The second is the way you punish him is different. Usually you're on the defensive end and punishing. In this case due to Black prior's substantial neutral presence you're the one that has to go on the offense. You have to bait him into a response.

In my opinion Black prior absolutely needs some adjusting. But I wouldn't call him the strongest hero we've ever had. Nor the most oppressive.

[rottmeister]

Black prior's bash from neutral can be dodged and GBed but the timing is tight. Unsure if it's tighter than conq's or not. It's the bash after an attack that you can't dodge and GB because the recovery on it is pretty fast.

Even tighter? I don't think I've ever been able to consistently get the GB in against a shieldbashing conq. I always get CGB'ed and ask myself why I even bother trying ranked. I've seen soms 'tips and tricks' from Conq mains before such as walking backwards etc. If I'd ever find myself in a similar situation I'll try doing that.