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    Interesting Video on Casual Gamers related to Div and Div2

    Saw this video yesterday from one of the YouTubers I'm subscribed to. I'm not a mobile gamer, but definitely consider myself a casual. No salt though, I see his point.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqBN5NAdtvk

    My thing is, if industries that produce a product only attempt to reach a small part of the market, their product is going to over all be less successful. For instance, if I made gloves for only left hands, I wouldn't sell many gloves. This is an extreme example. However, many people on here in past posts have disagreed that I'm a casual, yet many who I would consider hard core players would also refute that label. I'm curious how you all feel about this video, and how you see yourselfs (hard core or casual).

    If Massive/Red Storm only made a game for hard core players, how many copies would get sold. Like wise if they only made the game for casuals, how many would get sold. My other issue, was that this video was rater black and white. There is probably a full spectrum of Hard Core, and I know there is a full soectrum of Casuals. For instance, grinding. As a casual, I see the Grind in both the Division and Warframe, and large part of the fun of the game. Do I think it can be overbearing at times? Absolutely!

    I don't shy away from the current DZ, even though I get killed pretty much everytime I go in there. I have killed one Rogue on a PTS which didn't count, and one on my second account. On my primary I have over 1k hours and have never killed a rogue. No salt on my part over this. I always go in with a PvE build on (Lone Star) I'm not going to beat a PvPer....I'm just in there trying to finish up my Shields (which obviously I'm not going to finsh, so I just should't worry about it).
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    Originally Posted by sgtnogo Go to original post
    I'm just in there trying to finish up my Shields (which obviously I'm not going to finsh, so I just should't worry about it).
    Which ones do you think you can't finish?
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    I think the hardcore/casual thing is a misrepresentation. I don't fall into either category. Everyone wants a term to lump everyone into and those labels often don't fit even if intended for use by the symbol minded.
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    He is forgetting that gamers are getting older. The original WOW players if they were 15 at the time is about 30 now. Most of my original friends on the division were about that age and we got loot and smashed people. The one that was early in his 20's got bored of the game after a month, didn't help they nerfed his skill builds into the ground.

    For a lot of gamers it isn't so much about the grind it is how fun and rewarding is it. Some of the example of games he listed you don't have many options. Destiny you level one whatever at a time and that takes time. Time that older gamers don't have and younger gamers don't like. He is spot on with COD, but I love me some casuals there but I do hate their matchmaking. The better you are the worse your team is.

    If the division was an only for hardcores they might as well close their doors especially if they listened to only a few people.

    I would consider myself a hardcore gamer based on UE's description but only with certain games. If I like it and want it I'll master the game in every way and even learn what the developers have for lunch because I want more info.
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    Originally Posted by MIDJULIP Go to original post
    I think the hardcore/casual thing is a misrepresentation. I don't fall into either category. Everyone wants a term to lump everyone into and those labels often don't fit even if intended for use by the symbol minded.
    The mindset thing. You probably have hobbies or games you are all in on. There are others you are like that's nice what's next.
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    Originally Posted by III_Hammer_III Go to original post
    Which ones do you think you can't finish?
    Talon specifically. I took a 6month break from Div 1. My Commendation score is around 2460. I earned 30 this weekend for exchange 8hours of play. I keep getting killed in the DZ trying to get DZ credits. I have been clearing landmarks and picking up and any type of DZ crate, blue, Purple, yellow, they all have over 1k DZ credits. Problem is I am failing to extract them 50% of the time. So there was the effort collecting them, and getting killed to boot. I'm almost done with Sacred, not going to be able to do Fang, Marshal is questionable (I somehow lost my Barretts Chest piece, but also don't have at least 5 of the weapons). I haven't started Phoenix yet either (I'm pretty sure I can get this done, just like Sacred if I invest the time). Haven't started Rebel either, most of my friends are no longer playing, don't know what matchmaking is like.
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    I watched the video and was contemplating to post it here and start the same discussion.

    I agree with MIDJULIP that it's hard to put labels on gamers, but I don't think that's the issue here.

    Some of the topics in OP's video can directly be applied to The Division 1 and 2. For example, the legendary difficulty for story missions in the Division 1 or the raids in 2.

    The plan was to make the Legendaries extremely difficult, and the idea was that only good coordinated groups where able to complete them. I can now do them solo with a tact build, and I hardly have to aim either. If we get 8 man raids, but players are able to complete them 3 or 4 players, I will be severely dissapointed.


    There are multiple topics on the Division 1 section complaining about classified gear being to hard to collect, while in all the communities I'm active in, everyone has all gear and everyone is bored that there's nothing to loot anymore for months.


    Like I said, a very interesting debate, and I'm glad sgtnogo posted this video here.
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    Originally Posted by gt2k Go to original post
    He is forgetting that gamers are getting older. The original WOW players if they were 15 at the time is about 30 now. Most of my original friends on the division were about that age and we got loot and smashed people. The one that was early in his 20's got bored of the game after a month, didn't help they nerfed his skill builds into the ground.

    For a lot of gamers it isn't so much about the grind it is how fun and rewarding is it. Some of the example of games he listed you don't have many options. Destiny you level one whatever at a time and that takes time. Time that older gamers don't have and younger gamers don't like. He is spot on with COD, but I love me some casuals there but I do hate their matchmaking. The better you are the worse your team is.

    If the division was an only for hardcores they might as well close their doors especially if they listened to only a few people.

    I would consider myself a hardcore gamer based on UE's description but only with certain games. If I like it and want it I'll master the game in every way and even learn what the developers have for lunch because I want more info.
    Yep, I grew up before home computers existed. I was 25 when I bought my first 8 bit computer. The internet didn't exist, we used to communicate on BBS's. Most of the people on this forum were born after the internet. We actually went outside and played when I was a kid.
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    I agree with gt2k, I fall into that same group he mentions where I played original Vanilla WoW and my perspective of gaming has shifted over time. I found the video interesting, but personally I tend to classify "casuals" as more of the type that do not like difficulty or just prefer that something be changed for their preference. I wouldnt say I'm a "hardcore" gamer since there are people that not only put in serious hours, but also are very talented at games beyond what I can achieve. I like investment and development when it comes to gaming, but as gt2k mentioned this doesnt have a specific range. I can go from counterstrike to something like WoW and enjoy both in their own ways. One is more of a shorter playtime and quick satisfaction/frustration while the other takes hours of gear development/raiding/etc. I just dont care for people always wanting things handed out or altered to be easy/quick. I dont prefer things to be massively difficult, but if a developer makes something that they intended in the game design stop complaining that content into trivial casual adjustments. You end up converting that game into something that has little interaction with anyone and requires minimal time/effort to play. What is the reward for beating something like that?
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    Originally Posted by sgtnogo Go to original post
    BBS
    Those are three letters I haven't seen together in a looong time. I used to be a webmaster in a couple of Worldgroup BBS's. Fun times!
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