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[Tyrjo]

Well honestly what did you expect? When the only data the community is shown is this giant mashup from wildly different target groups all clumped together and presented without the context we need in order to make an informed debate out of it.

What's the problem with letting us see a clearer picture of how all this data is divided between the varied player skill levels and platforms that your video game is played on? You would get much better quality of discussions and feedback from your general community if the data was presented as follows:

- PC only win matrix
- Console only win matrix
- Diamond to Platinum rank only win matrix
- Master to Grandmaster rank only win matrix

- All of the above mashed together so we can see how it looks when it's all thrown together and most importantly so people can see how that skews the data when you don't have the additional context.

^ It's by no means perfect but it's a lot better than just presenting us with the big clump of mashed together data that has no real meaning without the apropriate context from the breakdown of the different data groups.

The matter is entirely in you guy's hands. Do you want a healthier and more productive debate from your community? Then do what I suggested. If you're perfectly happy with the community just waging flame wars and petty bickering over numbers on a screen without proper context then carry on as you've been doing so far with the win matrix.

I think this would be ideal, but I guess there aren't enough data entries in PC master leagues for that. I'm pretty sure some matchups haven't even occured in that bracket, and some may have only happened once or twice.

[Charmzzz]

I think this would be ideal, but I guess there aren't enough data entries in PC master leagues for that. I'm pretty sure some matchups haven't even occured in that bracket, and some may have only happened once or twice.

Would be interesting to see which Characters are not even remotely played in PC Master, don't you think?

I'm not playing FH since the Marching Fire release, and I see that things did not change at all in 3 months. Feeling really sad as I really want to play this gem of a game IF I would still believe in the Devs... But they keep showing that they have no clue and are not willing to change their way to do (or dont...) things.

[Siegfried-Z]

Would be interesting to see which Characters are not even remotely played in PC Master, don't you think?

I'm not playing FH since the Marching Fire release, and I see that things did not change at all in 3 months. Feeling really sad as I really want to play this gem of a game IF I would still believe in the Devs... But they keep showing that they have no clue and are not willing to change their way to do (or dont...) things.

Came back on the dark side Charmz, it's calling you😅😉

[Vakris_One]

I think this would be ideal, but I guess there aren't enough data entries in PC master leagues for that. I'm pretty sure some matchups haven't even occured in that bracket, and some may have only happened once or twice.

Yes, that was the reason they lowered the data range all the way down to 30% of all players who play ranked. So they could get the competitively abandoned heroes like Shugoki and Aramusha to actually appear on the charts. And that's how we got those two showing up with a 50% win rate, pretty much telling us exactly how casual the lowest data cutoff point for skill level was for those two to end up in the top 6 in Duel.

That's why seperating the data into contextual charts would be better. At Diamond to Platinum you would still have all the heroes represented. Maybe go one lower to Gold if not. At Master to Grandmaster you would obviously get the A to S-tier heroes being overwhelmingly represented with no signs of any hero below a B-tier. That in and of itself will tell us which heroes are so bad in a given mode that they don't even have a pick rate at the more competitive end of the spectrum. It's all valuable data.

[Tyrjo]

Thursdays Warriors den is going to be perfect to release the data.

[Tyrjo]

Son, I Am Disappoint

[Knight_Raime]

Son, I Am Disappoint

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[Vakris_One]

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Are you really looking forward to them showing us Shugo and Aramusha in the top 5 again because they used 30% of the total playerbase as their "quality" data point?

[Knight_Raime]

Are you really looking forward to them showing us Shugo and Aramusha in the top 5 again because they used 30% of the total playerbase as their "quality" data point?

I'm more looking for seeing JJ's data. Because people claimed he was OP. And I want to see the justifications people come up with to still stick to that assertion despite data showing him being fine.

[Vakris_One]

I'm more looking for seeing JJ's data. Because people claimed he was OP. And I want to see the justifications people come up with to still stick to that assertion despite data showing him being fine.

Stefan mentioned back in a previous Den that their data showed JJ at above 60% but I can't recall if it was Duel or only 4v4.

So rest assured this forum will naturally assume the fetal position and go ape dookies at seeing those numbers. The fact that what we're being show is 30% of the entire playerbase diluting the data from the high level and competitive level will go over many a head. As will the fact that JJ had desynced attack animations for near enough the entire season on top of the "having to adapt to a new character" factor.