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    ArchChamp

    I ship them, anyone else?
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    How TF did the WR discrepancy manage to F***ing double from S7 to S8



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    Came back to the Forum for a quick check on the Win Matrix. Even though old, everything as expected. PK dead last, the minor buff won't help her out there. JJ and Conq top notch, as plenty of people said before. ArchDuke spilling his toxic "Anti-Concs!!!" bs all over this thread, history repeating I guess.

    This game is dead to me. It was fun for me until Marching Fire. I could even cope with the massively overtuned Conq and Kensei. But as they clearly show no interest in bringing my Main up again, and I refuse to play the FOTM all the time, I guess I should just leave it here. Maybe FH2 will be better.

    Bye guys.

    And Archduke, save yourself some time and don't reply, I won't come back to read it anyway.
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    Oh my!.. JJ on every top in every category! Maybe...because...after all...he is broken.=)
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    Originally Posted by Charmzzz Go to original post
    This game is dead to me. It was fun for me until Marching Fire. I could even cope with the massively overtuned Conq and Kensei.
    Always nice to see a familiar face. A shame you're not into the game anymore but I can totally understand your reasons. What's overtuned about Kensei though?
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    How come Aramusha on top 5 in every game mode? especially duel
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    Originally Posted by nufrancis Go to original post
    How come Aramusha on top 5 in every game mode? especially duel
    Because he seems to be winning a lot.
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    Isnt he one of the worst hero right now? Im maining him also, but hes bad imo. No opener and for high level play his soft feint can be easily countered. He is fun to use thought and the most important aspect of him ==> one of the coolest hero in FH, second below Kensei
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    Originally Posted by nufrancis Go to original post
    Isnt he one of the worst hero right now? Im maining him also, but hes bad imo. No opener and for high level play his soft feint can be easily countered. He is fun to use thought and the most important aspect of him ==> one of the coolest hero in FH, second below Kensei
    People should stop reading into the pro tier lists so much because they are irrelevant unless you are a professional. Many heroes are perfectly viable in the other skill brackets, some are even really good if your opponent can't defend properly. Just look at all the complaints Centurion gets.
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    Originally Posted by Tyrjo Go to original post
    People should stop reading into the pro tier lists so much because they are irrelevant unless you are a professional. Many heroes are perfectly viable in the other skill brackets, some are even really good if your opponent can't defend properly. Just look at all the complaints Centurion gets.
    True enough about the competitive Duel and Brawl tier lists but the Dominion comp tier list is still relevant to the non-competitive game as it rates heroes based on team effectiveness, best ganks, etc.

    As for Aramusha being top 5 in Duel and Dom in the win matrix, let's look at the data pool the devs used for our answer. They showed us the matrix for the entire playerbase where Orochi is in 3rd place in Duels. It goes without saying that all this shows us is that more people suck at this game or play it casually than there are actual good players.

    The second set of data they showed us is 30% of the total playetbase that play ranked. 30% is a huge pool and once again the average and medium skilled players outnumber the high level players and therefore they drown out the higher level player stats such as those coming from Master and Grand Master rank because there are far fewer players in those two ranks than there are in Platinum and Diamond ranks. When the devs clump data together like this instead of showing us the individual win matrixes for each rank it just shows the majority stats (low to mid level players) drowning out the minority (high level players).

    And finally we have the fact that PC and Consoles are clumped together. Consoles have the majority of the playerbase so the win matrixes are heavily skewed in favour of the console experience of the game. Which is how we get Orochi in 3rd place in Duel and Aramusha top 5 in duel and 1st place in Dominion. Two characters who are notorious for being problematic on consoles while simultaneously being incredibly weak on PC.

    So basically the devs might as well have called the win matrix, "The console and low to mid level player win matrix" because those are the stats that are being overwhelmingly represented when they clump all the data together instead of showing us the data seperated by platforms and by each rank individually.

    Hopefully this explains why seeing Aramusha in the top 5 is not surprising. At the majority skill level that we're being shown pretty much every character is viable with consoles swinging it even further towards characters capable of light spam.
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