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[Tundra 793]

Not my call, lol. I'm not involved in the creation of those blogs, but I can of course let people know that you guys feel this way.

On a personal level, I'd like you to take a look at Rare (The Sea of Thieves guys), and how they deal with their community. Every week, the executive producer sits in front of a camera, and talks about their updates, plans and other such matters, straight to the players. That's on top of a weekly developer gameplay stream.
They made a blunder some months back with the games inventory management system, and the Lead Designer himself wrote a detailed, explanatory and apologetic forum post to the community explaining why they did what they did, and apologizing for the implementation.

There's so much Roman, Pope and the team at large could learn from the way Rare handles community interactions. Like I've said before, you guys are pretty ace, and everyone on the forums will always defend y'all.
But the whole team could be so much better.

You're infinitely better at it than Playground Games though, holy **** those guys...

[The_Sun_Danc3]

I think Nuxia gonna be arround 50%.
Tiandi and Shaolin both arround 54-55%.
And JJ arround 57%. In duel.

In 4v4 Nuxia gonna be a bit low, the two others just fine, average high.
And JJ gonna stand at the top with more than 60% i think.

This is the funniest, most uninformed opinion I have ever seen on here.

[The_Sun_Danc3]

I am still coming to grips with how they can 'rework' PK and orochi at the same time and not clearly see the disparity in their kits. Adding more chains, chain initiators, a delayed side dodge, a better storm rush, and light spam (light spam which was the only reason PK dominated aside from her mobility which was normalized) and compare it to a soft feint inferior to shamans and slightly better delayed damaged (Delayed damaged i could get behind if it did a decent amount more damage than some heroes deal up front as the payoff).

This. I hate that everybody who wants to play peacekeeper (Especially 4v4 cause it’s the only place you actually earn xp) has to play shaman instead because peacekeeper just cannot play play against more than one person at a time (And even there she struggles)
I’m in the top 2% (Maybe 1% now) of peacekeepers worldwide despite the fact I never play her anymore. That’s 100% because I have to be above and beyond my opponents skill to win and it’s just a lot more stressful than fun

[Siegfried-Z]

This is the funniest, most uninformed opinion I have ever seen on here.

Glad for you.
But just saying that and be disrespectful in a single sentence without any argue or explanations at least to show why doesn't makes you look very smart Teen.

[Vakris_One]

I personally sort of wish we would release the raw data without comment, tbh. The community attributes more importance to the single data set in the blog than it actually has, no matter how many "this isn't the only source of balance changes" warnings we put in the blogs. It's worth noting that they're just trying to use that data as a springboard for a larger discussion.

Lots of the issues players brought up with the last blog's data set were discussed internally after we heard your feedback on it.

Well honestly what did you expect? When the only data the community is shown is this giant mashup from wildly different target groups all clumped together and presented without the context we need in order to make an informed debate out of it.

What's the problem with letting us see a clearer picture of how all this data is divided between the varied player skill levels and platforms that your video game is played on? You would get much better quality of discussions and feedback from your general community if the data was presented as follows:

- PC only win matrix
- Console only win matrix
- Diamond to Platinum rank only win matrix
- Master to Grandmaster rank only win matrix

- All of the above mashed together so we can see how it looks when it's all thrown together and most importantly so people can see how that skews the data when you don't have the additional context.

^ It's by no means perfect but it's a lot better than just presenting us with the big clump of mashed together data that has no real meaning without the apropriate context from the breakdown of the different data groups.

The matter is entirely in you guy's hands. Do you want a healthier and more productive debate from your community? Then do what I suggested. If you're perfectly happy with the community just waging flame wars and petty bickering over numbers on a screen without proper context then carry on as you've been doing so far with the win matrix.

[rottmeister]

This is the funniest, most uninformed opinion I have ever seen on here.

Attacking someone over an opinion isn't very nice...

How is it funny or uninformed please do enlighten me.
He made an educated guess, what's to laugh about?
Are you referring to the Wu Lin as OP or the other way around or are you just flat out throwing insults?

Earlier this season the devs had dropped JJ's win% at the time, don't know the exact number but it was somewhere in the 60% range (most likely plat and above).
Since people adapted to the Wu Lin (certainly the top players) they'll likely have a fairly average Win-loss % considering none of them are broken or overpowered (overtuned? perhaps, but not game breaking).

I wouldn't be surprised if Siegfried-Z's guesses were accurate.

[D3dicatedSrv3rz]

Because data is the only factual sources

Of course others exist, but anything else than pure Data gonna be subjective.

About how the data is shown, i think it would be far more usefull if firstly we could have PC and Console separate matrix.

And each of them split by rank from Bronze to diamond and then M/GM together in both 1v1 and 4v4.

It would be much more graph but it is easy to split these stats as you want once you get the entire database.

With this, anyone can look at the matrix for his Bracket, for example if a Guy is ranked plat on PC and plays almost only 4v4, he has a much better matrix To look at for him than the overall one.

Because the current stats arent very interesting as they are.

The gaming experience and issues of a silver pc duelist and a Master console 4v4 players are 2 entire différent world.

You should do it ^^

While i would be interested in having to see a dividation in the data between PC and console it would ultimately be useless unless Ubi decides to balance them different. Although their stance changed on the topic my username draws inspiration from i dont think they will ever have plans for splitting the game in such a fashion. That said i feel a split would be easier for them to tackle problems, no longer attempting to implement 1 solution that would be received 2 different ways

[D3dicatedSrv3rz]

This is the funniest, most uninformed opinion I have ever seen on here.

Hey, people thought PK was viable after her rework for some reason. Stats like this wouldnt surprise me

[The_Sun_Danc3]

Glad for you.
But just saying that and be disrespectful in a single sentence without any argue or explanations at least to show why doesn't makes you look very smart Teen.

JJ is easily the lowest in duels, but his 4v4 win rate is the highest. He’s not good but his sweeping attacks with high damage are why he’s good in 4v4 and his feats are probably some of the best for his character style.
Shaolin is easily the best all around. Nuxia is runner up for duels and Tiandi is the worst all around really only being good for his dodge light to light attacks (At least on console).
Anybody who thinks JJ is the best hero out of the Wu Lin is most likely somebody that has a hard time parrying unblockables and their performance shouldn’t be dictating the state of the game because it would end up breaking it.
Jiang Jun and Tiandi are almost tied all around but JJ just inches him out because of his performance in 1vMore fights.

[Siegfried-Z]

JJ is easily the lowest in duels, but his 4v4 win rate is the highest. He’s not good but his sweeping attacks with high damage are why he’s good in 4v4 and his feats are probably some of the best for his character style.
Shaolin is easily the best all around. Nuxia is runner up for duels and Tiandi is the worst all around really only being good for his dodge light to light attacks (At least on console).
Anybody who thinks JJ is the best hero out of the Wu Lin is most likely somebody that has a hard time parrying unblockables and their performance shouldn’t be dictating the state of the game because it would end up breaking it.
Jiang Jun and Tiandi are almost tied all around but JJ just inches him out because of his performance in 1vMore fights.

So that's only about that ? Let me correct you if i may.

First of all Tiandi isnt in a bad spot and in my opinion is much better than Nuxia.

Shaolin isnt the best all arround. Because first as you said yourself JJ is the best in 4v4 so cant be shaolin ... in 1v1 shaolin is better than jj, yes.

But that doesn't change the fact i belive JJ winrate gonna be higher.

Because the win matrix mix pc and console from plat till grand master all together.
And JJ efficiency only decrease at high level. But they are less players at this level.
Adding To that his light bug animation which put him in a strong advantages for at least 2 or 3 weaks. .

I remember pretty well devs talking about the first Wulin data.. nuxia, shaolin and Tiandi were all arround 55% in duel while JJ was at 62%. Uninformed ? That's the ubi data.

So, you should read correctly before attacking people on their opinion and now on my skills.
I've made my own ubi data prédiction. I didn't say JJ or anyone was the best.
Ubi Win matrix preduction and my own rank opinion are two different things.
If you ask for that, find my opinion below.

1v1
1/Shaolin
2/Tiandi
3/JJ
4/Nuxia

4v4
1/JJ : But, by far
2/Shaolin and Tiandi equals (tiandi has far stronger feats and some great bash from neutral and switching target)
4/Nuxia : just really weak in 4v4

As i play almost only 4v4, in my own experience JJ is the most annoying wulin.

So, please stop free attacking me with some child things about i would be unable To parry UB. . I play since day 1 on both console and pc and have 150reps in the game always ranked with a great KD.