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    Originally Posted by GiveMeTactical Go to original post
    I like good storylines in the shooters I play but I don't get into the nitty gritty like most of you guys here but, this thing with the active camo has got me scratching my head but perhaps I am just to lazy to put 2 and 2 together. In the one hand, it also stroke me as odd that an enemy PMC team had it in Fallen Ghosts let alone anyone from a ghost team because of the fact that I remember Ghost Lead in GRFS making a huge point to the pilot that they were experimenting with a prototype and that it wasn't working at full capacity (or something close to it) and now we have young Kozak (which he also looks totally different that what I remember him looking in FS even if 4 to 5 yrs younger) testing yet, another prototype?

    Not that I am going to loose any sleep over this but I sure would love a simple explanation.
    Yeah. The advanced cloaking tech never had much improvement in Future Soldier, much less had the quality Wildlands portrayed it to be. Kozak was 26 in Future Soldier, so he looked the same to me. Just thank him for good genetics.
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    Originally Posted by GiveMeTactical Go to original post
    I like good storylines in the shooters I play but I don't get into the nitty gritty like most of you guys here but, this thing with the active camo has got me scratching my head but perhaps I am just to lazy to put 2 and 2 together. In the one hand, it also stroke me as odd that an enemy PMC team had it in Fallen Ghosts let alone anyone from a ghost team because of the fact that I remember Ghost Lead in GRFS making a huge point to the pilot that they were experimenting with a prototype and that it wasn't working at full capacity (or something close to it) and now we have young Kozak (which he also looks totally different that what I remember him looking in FS even if 4 to 5 yrs younger) testing yet, another prototype?
    Not that I am going to loose any sleep over this but I sure would love a simple explanation.
    Bodark provided the tech to Los Extranjeros, do you remember them on GRFS? They gain access to your crosscom, follow you and then ambush you while they had optical camo active. Bodark trained some SB members (as it is mention in Wildlands) so it makes sense that they are also helping Los Extranjeros.

    They also have a better optical camo than the one the Ghosts use (in GRFS). Where they got that tech? Well they stole it.

    I read some files of Bodarks background and on there they mention, Bodark stole high tech and later provide it to whoever can pay for it, Los Extranjeros for example (I will provide the files if I find them)

    On the optical camo being a prototype in GRFS, you are getting confused, in the mission Subtle Arrow, on the gear screen (before starting the mission) when you check optical camo, they say:
    “We don’t have enough processor power yet to let adaptive camo function while you’re moving fast” so maybe that's what you were talking about?

    But that statement makes sense, I mean let’s say that in 2019, Kozak was testing it on the field with a huge device he needs to carry everywhere, which also may need more battery to work, then sometime around 2023 or 2024, the device gets smaller, more battery efficient and is now used by the Ghosts but the tech at that moment doesn't allowed for it to be at its full potential.

    Ubisoft however needs to explain further with more detail about the “plot holes” they do not bother to solve. Maybe if the next game takes place at some point between 2019 and 2024 (which I believe they will now that Skell Tech is all over the place) we may get more information about this, until then however all we can do is let the files tell the story and have some theories about it.
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    I'm going to go ahead and say it, let's retcon GRFS and have Mitchell a LTC there as well. As Bone Frog pointed out a few days ago in another thread that's really a more appropriate rank for the commander of this sort of unit.

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    I like how something the Ghosts are issued as a prototype is standard issue equipment by a third rate PMC in Fallen Ghosts. Is that plot hole going to be addressed or is the answer found in that Wiki if yours?
    I'm no expert in Ghost Recon lore, but aren't Los Extranjeros pretty elite and supported by the even more elite Bodark who have cloaking tech?
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    Originally Posted by LoneSpymaster Go to original post
    Bodark provided the tech to Los Extranjeros, do you remember them on GRFS? They gain access to your crosscom, follow you and then ambush you while they had optical camo active. Bodark trained some SB members (as it is mention in Wildlands) so it makes sense that they are also helping Los Extranjeros.

    They also have a better optical camo than the one the Ghosts use (in GRFS). Where they got that tech? Well they stole it.

    I read some files of Bodarks background and on there they mention, Bodark stole high tech and later provide it to whoever can pay for it, Los Extranjeros for example (I will provide the files if I find them)

    On the optical camo being a prototype in GRFS, you are getting confused, in the mission Subtle Arrow, on the gear screen (before starting the mission) when you check optical camo, they say:
    “We don’t have enough processor power yet to let adaptive camo function while you’re moving fast” so maybe that's what you were talking about?

    But that statement makes sense, I mean let’s say that in 2019, Kozak was testing it on the field with a huge device he needs to carry everywhere, which also may need more battery to work, then sometime around 2023 or 2024, the device gets smaller, more battery efficient and is now used by the Ghosts but the tech at that moment doesn't allowed for it to be at its full potential.

    Ubisoft however needs to explain further with more detail about the “plot holes” they do not bother to solve. Maybe if the next game takes place at some point between 2019 and 2024 (which I believe they will now that Skell Tech is all over the place) we may get more information about this, until then however all we can do is let the files tell the story and have some theories about it.
    I would be genuinely surprised if Megiddo from the Splinter Cell franchise bankrolled the Skell tech. All of these weird plotholes are created by the Clancy version of the Illuminati. LOL
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    Hmm, it would be interesting if the origin of the active camo is the canonical appearance and defeat by Nomad's team....of a Predator.

    Extra missions for GRW don't necessarily have to have taken place in the order in which they were released, but it works that at some point during Operation: Kingslayer the Ghosts encounter a Yautja and salvage some tech from it (like the biomask) and/or report it to the CIA or Mitchell or whomever to be salvaged, then the Special Operations occur.

    A few weeks/months later in the campaign Nomad encounters Sam Fisher talking about this crazy new tech people are trying to steal from Langley.

    A few weeks/months later John Kozak appears in Bolivia fieldtesting a prototype version of the same cloaking tech.

    As much as I and others have been skeptical about the inclusion of Predator in this setting perhaps it's more palatable than the idea that in 2019 someone has apparently magicked cloaking tech into being.
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    for the next Special Operations 4, it should be Rainbow Six Again but this time, we meet Ding Chavez, and retired John Clark and Rainbow squadrons team 1 and 2
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    Hmm, it would be interesting if the origin of the active camo is the canonical appearance and defeat by Nomad's team....of a Predator.
    I posted a similar theory on Reddit a while ago.

    * Ghost Recon encounters the Predator. It is not the first time US Forces have encountered this particular threat. The incident in Los Angeles and Central America in particular have given the US Government a clear understanding what they are dealing with and a task force to track Predator activity. The intel is so solid that it is even included in briefings to foreign operators (as seen in Predators).

    * During the Encounter, the Ghosts see the value of enhancing body armour and the outstanding potential in active camouflage. Obviously they write down a report to their superiors.

    * The Predators ship may have been taken intact. There is nothing that says it was destroyed alongside the Predators self-destruct. Even so, some items such as the mask and wristblades survived the destruction.

    * These items are sent to a up-and-coming tech company who manage to reverse engineer the items, leading to the future soldier technology we seen as a prototype in the SO3 mission.

    *Fallen Ghosts does have soldiers with a similar technology but this may require an entire body suit instead of just being stowed away in a backback or may be a more imperfect form of Active Camoflauge. It is also deployed in a far different way to enable ambush tactics rather as a front line combat tool.
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