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[garrod629]

So Wildlands is supposed to take place before Future Soldier, right? Then how is he a Lt. Col. in Wildlands when Ghost Lead in Future Soldier addresses him as Major and Lt. Col comes after Major in the Army?

[Ghost-Ami]

Presumably he was demoted at some point.

Probably what actually happened was that Ubi wrote themselves into a corner by making Nomad a major at launch and then realising Scott Mitchell would almost certainly have to have a higher rank to appear as Nomad's boss.

Technically a person of the same rank with more time in grade is considered senior, but it would be highly unusual for a unit to have a commander with subordinates of their same rank.

[Bone_Frog]

Presumably he was demoted at some point.

Probably what actually happened was that Ubi wrote themselves into a corner by making Nomad a major at launch and then realising Scott Mitchell would almost certainly have to have a higher rank to appear as Nomad's boss.

Technically a person of the same rank with more time in grade is considered senior, but it would be highly unusual for a unit to have a commander with subordinates of their same rank.

UMCJ Article 15 an officer cannot be demoted without a Courts Martial and dismissal from service. The Ghost Recon Franchise already has two timelines, one where Mitchell is a General(0-10) in 2020 and one where he is only a major in 2024. I can only assume that this is a another deviant timeline. the Lt. Col rank is the appropriate rank for running a command like Ghost Recon. Beyond that we will have to see where this all goes.

[Ghost-Ami]

UMCJ Article 15 an officer cannot be demoted without a Courts Martial and dismissal from service. The Ghost Recon Franchise already has two timelines, one where Mitchell is a General(0-10) in 2020 and one where he is only a major in 2024. I can only assume that this is a another deviant timeline. the Lt. Col rank is the appropriate rank for running a command like Ghost Recon. Beyond that we will have to see where this all goes.

Surely you can get a congressional waiver to appoint an officer up or down outside of typical protocols as need arises. I'm not familiar enough with Mitchell's specific case or Ghost Recon lore to even be able to speculate why that might have happened, but Mitchell would not necessarily have had to have done something wrong to have been demoted.

If there's another example of a yet again differently ranked Mitchell in some other Clancy material---I don't really know the Clancyverse(s?) all that well---then I guess it's as you say and there's just no unifying continuity. Rip. ((((

[Bone_Frog]

Surely you can get a congressional waiver to appoint an officer up or down outside of typical protocols as need arises. I'm not familiar enough with Mitchell's specific case or Ghost Recon lore to even be able to speculate why that might have happened, but Mitchell would not necessarily have had to have done something wrong to have been demoted.

If there's another example of a yet again differently ranked Mitchell in some other Clancy material---I don't really know the Clancyverse(s?) all that well---then I guess it's as you say and there's just no unifying continuity. Rip. ((((

Yeah no. Officers can serve in subordinate positions under Presidential directive. For instance the President has the authority to command a Fleet Admiral to skipper a sub if necessary, likewise there were times when CAG was run by Brigadeer General instead of a Colonel. However, promotions are actual acts of Congress, and by Federal law they can only be taken away for felonious behavior with criminal conviction.

Like I said there are alternate timelines. In EndWar Scot Mitchell is a Lt. General. Now you are not just talking about having his name on a promotion list that Congress enacts, you are talking about Senate confirmation. You don't get busted from that to Major. Duties may be sensitive enough that you fill a billet that would, based on number and ranks subordinate, go to a lower rank, but you don't lose your stars or your pay.

Anyway from the Scott Mitchell wikia

Sometime before the year 2020, Scott Mitchell is promoted to Lieutenant General and given command of the Joint Strike Force. During the events of World War III, he leads the JSF against the European and Russian threats, and defends his country any way he can. He is the General who briefs the player before battles and also updates the player on how the war is progressing for the USA. If after turn 40, World War III has not been resolved, Mitchell may be encountered commanding the 15th Special Operations Battalion.

http://endwar.wikia.com/wiki/Scott_Mitchell

[shobhit7777777]

Ubi ****-up.

Ami's explanation also makes a lot of sense. They perhaps wanted Mitchell to outrank Nomad. Don't see why, but it's an error which is symptomatic of this dev teams rather lackadaisical attitude towards realism, authenticity and even common sense.

[Ghost-Ami]

Yeah no. Officers can serve in subordinate positions under Presidential directive. For instance the President has the authority to command a Fleet Admiral to skipper a sub if necessary, likewise there were times when CAG was run by Brigadeer General instead of a Colonel. However, promotions are actual acts of Congress, and by Federal law they can only be taken away for felonious behavior with criminal conviction.

Like I said there are alternate timelines. In EndWar Scot Mitchell is a Lt. General. Now you are not just talking about having his name on a promotion list that Congress enacts, you are talking about Senate confirmation. You don't get busted from that to Major. Duties may be sensitive enough that you fill a billet that would, based on number and ranks subordinate, go to a lower rank, but you don't lose your stars or your pay.

Anyway from the Scott Mitchell wikia

http://endwar.wikia.com/wiki/Scott_Mitchell

Wow, I'd never even heard of that game.

I do recall something about a World War III from some of Clancy's novels maybe?

Also that those novels have a timeline just absolutely hell and gone from our world.

[Bone_Frog]

Ubi ****-up.

Ami's explanation also makes a lot of sense. They perhaps wanted Mitchell to outrank Nomad. Don't see why, but it's an error which is symptomatic of this dev teams rather lackadaisical attitude towards realism, authenticity and even common sense.

No. I think they actually intended to break GRW off into its own timeline. That way they would be able to continue doing Sci-Fi linear games in the GRFS continuum, while doing more present day reality based near future games like GRW in its own timeline. Just like Endwar was an alternate Ghost Recon timeline before Ubi cancelled it due to poor sales.

Wow, I'd never even heard of that game.

I do recall something about a World War III from some of Clancy's novels maybe?

Also that those novels have a timeline just absolutely hell and gone from our world.

Apparently the game flopped.

If you are talking the Tom Clancy Ryanverse, yeah that timeline is a mess. If you plot out its internal timeline as far as its own Presidents and then take into account that they also claim every out of office US President... Dude you get a real mess of a timeline. Just read it for the story and don't try to figure out the continuum all too much and you will be a happier fan.

[LoneSpymaster]

UMCJ Article 15 an officer cannot be demoted without a Courts Martial and dismissal from service. The Ghost Recon Franchise already has two timelines, one where Mitchell is a General(0-10) in 2020 and one where he is only a major in 2024. I can only assume that this is a another deviant timeline. the Lt. Col rank is the appropriate rank for running a command like Ghost Recon. Beyond that we will have to see where this all goes.

Nah there isn’t a deviant timeline besides the one when he becomes a general.

When he becomes general you are talking about EndWar which is non-canon, is just an alternative timeline, just like The Division, is the end of everything as we know it.

This is just an oversight because doesn’t make sense unless he gets demoted.
This was the timeline before:
He was a captain between GR2 and GRAW2 (2014)
Then he was promoted to Major after the Artemis conflict in H.AW.X (2021)
He still is a major on GRFS (2024)

He went from captain to major which is accurate.
The chaos starts when you look at it the way it is now:

He is a captain in GR2 and GRAW2 (2014)
At some point between 2014 and 2019 (Dark Waters and Wildlands) he is promoted to major and later to Lieutenant colonel
Then at some point between 2019 and 2021, he gets demoted from Lieutenant colonel to once again a captain and later was promoted to major again.
He stays as like that all the way to GRFS (2024)

It sounds chaotic right? This however can make sense because if you play H.A.W.X he is still doing missions as a Ghost instead of being behind a desk and at the time of Wildlands he is behind a desk, so I believe the theory of him being demoted is accurate, the problem is that we do not know what happen between two certain times:
2014 – 2019 when he is promoted to both Major and later Lieutenant
2019 and 2021 when he is demoted from Lieutenant to Captain and then promoted again as Major.

GRW follows the same timeline than all GR games have done
Your assumption of GRW being on his own timeline because of “sci-fi” doesn’t make sense. Skell Tech is here to setup certain tech stuff for both the next Splinter Cell and Ghost Recon games, whatever you like it or not, this is the case.

1. Los Extranjeros are related to Bodark (GRFS Ghosts counterpart)
2. Bodark trained a member of SB Cartel.
3. Optical camo is a prototype (which is also accurate)
4. A lot of the mission info from Operation Silent Spade, sets up in a way the events that happened in GRFS
This of course makes any arguments of alternative timeline invalid, the only non canon Tom Clancy games are End War and The Division.
Is just an oversight and if you have read and play previous games and even more other games related to Tom Clancy, you will learned this is not the only oversight they have. I could point you out all of them, mistakes are very common when you go backwards.

It would be ideal to do either a novel or a game for both of those timelines in order to learn what happened.
I believe a novel for what happened after the events of GRAW2 and before the events of Dark Waters, to see why he was promoted and later a game that takes place between 2019 and 2021 to learn why he got demoted, of course us playing as captain Mitchell with a set of teammates or him being our leader as some Ghosts (us) go accomplishing an operation that causes him to be demoted.

There is a lot that can be done in order to explain it.

[Bone_Frog]

Nah there isn’t a deviant timeline besides the one when he becomes a general.

When he becomes general you are talking about EndWar which is non-canon, is just an alternative timeline, just like The Division, is the end of everything as we know it.

This is just an oversight because doesn’t make sense unless he gets demoted.
This was the timeline before:
He was a captain between GR2 and GRAW2 (2014)
Then he was promoted to Major after the Artemis conflict in H.AW.X (2021)
He still is a major on GRFS (2024)

He went from captain to major which is accurate.
The chaos starts when you look at it the way it is now:

He is a captain in GR2 and GRAW2 (2014)
At some point between 2014 and 2019 (Dark Waters and Wildlands) he is promoted to major and later to Lieutenant colonel
Then at some point between 2019 and 2021, he gets demoted from Lieutenant colonel to once again a captain and later was promoted to major again.
He stays as like that all the way to GRFS (2024)

It sounds chaotic right? This however can make sense because if you play H.A.W.X he is still doing missions as a Ghost instead of being behind a desk and at the time of Wildlands he is behind a desk, so I believe the theory of him being demoted is accurate, the problem is that we do not know what happen between two certain times:
2014 – 2019 when he is promoted to both Major and later Lieutenant
2019 and 2021 when he is demoted from Lieutenant to Captain and then promoted again as Major.

GRW follows the same timeline than all GR games have done
Your assumption of GRW being on his own timeline because of “sci-fi” doesn’t make sense.

1. Los Extranjeros are related to Bodark (GRFS Ghosts counterpart)
2. Bodark trained a member of SB Cartel.
3. Optical camo is a prototype (which is also accurate)
4. A lot of the mission info from Operation Silent Spade, sets up in a way the events that happened in GRFS
Is just an oversight and if you have read and play previous games and even more other games related to Tom Clancy, you will learned this is not the only oversight they have.

It would be ideal to do either a novel or a game for both of those timelines in order to learn what happened.
I believe a novel for what happened after the events of GRAW2 and before the events of Dark Waters, to see why he was promoted and later a game that takes place between 2019 and 2021 to learn why he got demoted, of course us playing as captain Mitchell with a set of teammates or him being our leader as some Ghosts (us) go accomplishing an operation that causes him to be demoted.

There is a lot that can be done in order to explain it.

There is nothing that can explain a demotion that will retain the Tom Clancy(general) and GR(specific) multiple statements to a commitment to realism. You cannot legally demote an officer, without also dismissing him permanently from service. That has been US Federal Law since Congress enacted the UCMJ on May 5, 1950. It has to be bad writing, alternate timeline or reconning. Anything else is the equivalent of Ubisoft saying "Come play this game that we try to make as realistic as possible, but we totally disregard all reality so it isn't really realistic at all, but realism is our selling point becasue Tom Clancy." No, it just doesn't work.

As far as Endwar not being canon. The only reason it isn't is because sales were poor and ubisoft abandoned the Franchise. As the wikia points out, had sales been good enough to continue the franchise we would have an alternate timeline.