When Will PK Become Good Again? | Forums

[CRIMS0NM0NKEY]

I don't know why they based her kit around Bleeds when there's a feat out there that negates it completely. Warden and Nuxia uses it very often. Heroes that are very popular in 4v4s.

I can't even run from Wardens because they have that stupid 20-30feet sliding attack after i do 1-3 damage to them because bleeds are my gimmick.

PK can't even land a heavy from a successful GB, I've been holding back on getting executions for her because landing a heavy on someone is very rare and I'm rep 18 with her.

20 damage for a heavy is very low when JJ can do that with a simple light and because it's so low I have to perform the light bleed follow up and they die from bleed.

90% of my kills are from bleeds and even if I land a heavy and perform an execute, ANY minion can interrupt now.

If I can't execute, get health back, and take someone off the map I'm a major hindrance to my team, especially in Breach which is my favorite game mode, hence why you don't see people picking her often.

Not even a face reveal is going to make people play a hero who is just all around bad.

I've been making that point about wardens bleed feat forever. It's an auto win for Warden against Pk.
1st. It reduces damage way too much
2. Warden gets revenge simply by taking the attacks.
It's redicious this hasn't been fixed yet.

[KotoKuraken]

I think she is very viable and has a high skill ceiling. Ive been very owned by good pescekeepers who know their feint combo game well. Your complaints effect nobushi as well, if not even more significantly.

You shouldnt be struggling to get executes on her tho. Her dodge attack solicits them very effectively.

However i would not mind further buffs and changes. I do think nobushi needs a full rework first tho, and they both suffer similarily.

Just because you get owned by a hero doesn't mean that hero is good. However, the player has to be significantly outplay their opponent to play as PK. Her dodge attack only does 15 damage, and you will often not get that execute because of it. That means not only do you have to get your opponent low, you also have to get them to only half a bar of health (which is enough for a teammate to sneeze on them and steal your kill). Her dodge attacks are also easily parryable, and anyone getting that low is definitely going to be turtling up hardcore.

You will very very rarely ever get executions because the dodge attacks are so weak on the initial hit and her regular heavies are way too slow and too weak.Nobushi is better off than PK at the moment; she can get executions off reliably from guardbreaks, dash heavies, and wall splats, and she also possesses a good bash that guarantees damage, does more damage with her bleed to actually give it a purpose, has wide range attacks, and can feint her light attacks with hidden stance. No, she is not the best duelist, but she is the only character rated S tier for every gamemode except duels.

PK needs it far more than Nobushi.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Pk is far weaker than nobushi, but nobushi is not S tier in any way. She is at the same or one tier above pk, with the same not viable offense, but at least better defense.

Pk needs a lot to be viable. A better player or a player in better form can still beat you with her, but she lacks everything. No openers, no damage, no really threatening mixups, no stamina, no range, no pressure, no health. She is somewhat mobile and fast, but others outshine her hands down. She needs at least a viable opener, and her dagger cancel, deep gouge and dodge attacks must start chains. Maybe damage buffs and bleed effect added if we are aiming at A tier.

[MuscleTech12018]

When i read stuffs like this "Literally everyone is better than her; better kits, better damage, better movement, better everything. There's a reason why literally no one ever picks her." .... i know op has no clue about this game..

[Siegfried-Z]

When i read stuffs like this "Literally everyone is better than her; better kits, better damage, better movement, better everything. There's a reason why literally no one ever picks her." .... i know op has no clue about this game..

Well, the guy is not wrong..

Looks at Pk dmg : In termes of pure dmg, all of her mooves are under average (Zone, Dagger feint, lights, dash attack, heavy). Adding bleeds, her dash attack and heavies are okay. But till, it makes hard for her to get a nexecution. Her only good dmg are on her GB. But again, this is bleed. Even her deflect is a bleed.

About her kit, what does Pk has ? She doesn't have an UB, no HA, no bash... she is litterally the only char of the whole game which doesn't have any of these things (Nuxia has traps and Roch at least has HA and Ub on deflect plus a few back dodge attack mooves).

She has some softfeints but this is not enough to makes her viable at the current state of the game. As is her 2nd light.
I don't even talk about her poor range and predictable dash attack even on a heavy softfeinted.

Her only strengh is to be fast.. That's all. And on PC, it means nothing.

So, saying she has a poor kit compare to most of others char is not having "no clue about this game", it is the truth.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

The only character who might be worse is shugoki. And pk has good matchups with optionselect against other weak characters, but they are still generally stronger.

[teddy0teddy]

Well, the guy is not wrong..

Looks at Pk dmg : In termes of pure dmg, all of her mooves are under average (Zone, Dagger feint, lights, dash attack, heavy). Adding bleeds, her dash attack and heavies are okay. But till, it makes hard for her to get a nexecution. Her only good dmg are on her GB. But again, this is bleed. Even her deflect is a bleed.

About her kit, what does Pk has ? She doesn't have an UB, no HA, no bash... she is litterally the only char of the whole game which doesn't have any of these things (Nuxia has traps and Roch at least has HA and Ub on deflect plus a few back dodge attack mooves).

She has some softfeints but this is not enough to makes her viable at the current state of the game. As is her 2nd light.
I don't even talk about her poor range and predictable dash attack even on a heavy softfeinted.

Her only strengh is to be fast.. That's all. And on PC, it means nothing.

So, saying she has a poor kit compare to most of others char is not having "no clue about this game", it is the truth.

The first guy did however not say most kits, he said she had the worst kit of all. In which case it is correct that he has no clue about the game. Shugoki has quite literally no way to beat someone waiting for parries. But Peacekeeper can at the very least do some mindgames with her zone and cancels.
And currently light spam is number one in terms of power so that alone brings Peacekeeper above characters like Shugoki and Lawbringer. Both of which has no threatening offense. A fast thinker can straight up counter Lawbringers block shove with a deflect. So Peacekeeper is still higher than some other characters that can do nothing.
To make things clearer, some of the bigger characters like Shugoki, Lawbringer and Warlord (at least those I have noticed it happen with) can at times not dodge bashes and such due to their dodge animations being slow, they often need to predict the bash before it happens in order to react in time where as I can easily dodge headbutt and shove while getting free punishes on them.

[Siegfried-Z]

The first guy did however not say most kits, he said she had the worst kit of all. In which case it is correct that he has no clue about the game. Shugoki has quite literally no way to beat someone waiting for parries. But Peacekeeper can at the very least do some mindgames with her zone and cancels.
And currently light spam is number one in terms of power so that alone brings Peacekeeper above characters like Shugoki and Lawbringer. Both of which has no threatening offense. A fast thinker can straight up counter Lawbringers block shove with a deflect. So Peacekeeper is still higher than some other characters that can do nothing.
To make things clearer, some of the bigger characters like Shugoki, Lawbringer and Warlord (at least those I have noticed it happen with) can at times not dodge bashes and such due to their dodge animations being slow, they often need to predict the bash before it happens in order to react in time where as I can easily dodge headbutt and shove while getting free punishes on them.

Yes, we can always argue a few char are a little worst than PK is, but if someone has a decent level in this game, he can only admit PK is currently trash. On console Pk is a bit better due to the fact that light spam is efficient on console. I have both Console and PC, on console i can sometimes struggles to light spam while i don't have any problems to block and parry lights spam on PC.

You said Pk is better than WL, LB or Shugo. But, i would say yes if you talk about Duel. In 4v4, i would rather pick one of these 3. Because all of them have powerfull tools in 4V4.
Shugo with demon's embrace, HA and AOE dmg with his UB during team fights can sometimes be viable if his team mates are good
LB have a lot of bombs and is very very tanky in anti gank situation + his impale charge is strong in 4V4
WL can be insane with his shield charge and ledge ability + Headbutt

Don' get me wrong, LB, WL and Shugo are trash currently too. But from a 4v4 pov, i would say PK suffer a bit more.On par with Shugo and a bit worst than LB and WL.
I'm not talking about a PK versus them, but about PK efficiency on a 4v4 battlefield compared to these 3.

Anyway, S9 is coming with a Shugo rework and a PK buff and we already know WL is one of the next priority.

At the end, only LB remain.

[RieslingKiller]

Can someone help me?

I want to learn the Peacekeeper.

In her specific moveset is written that she can do a stab cancel……….

I don´t know what this means.

After every attack I do, I don´t find a button which brings me back away. Or is it only possible between the 3 stabs after a guardbreak?

But in this situation I also couldn´t find a button who brings me back away………. I Play on PC with Keyboard/Mouse...……

THX for an answer………..

[The.All.Father]

In my opinion she is still strong. Boring af, dmg tuned down (maybe a lil bit), but i am sooooo, sooooooo happy to see what this miserable spammer became in eyes of players who mains her. It is a wild pleasure, and i hope someday all the light/bash spammers will be in such spot. But this is my wild desire only. It probably won't happen :/