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    There is a flyable B29 in the UltraPack.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by steve_v:
    That was back in the day when Oleg visited on Fridays and people were respectful. A lot has changed in 10 years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    A lot of people were respectful but never less than a few were rude and demanding right from the start. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Not really sure how it got downhill so much, politics or rather allowing politic filled topics on "hot issues" were IMO a big reason why some things went downhill... people, unless they aren't mature (regardless of age) will never heat up around a PC game and even if they do they don't take it too seriously...

    Still remember one nutcase (not a troll) with whom I argued because he tried to somehow excuse some real war monsters... to add to the tragedy he was studied law (or finished his studies, can't remember) so he fully understood what he was saying, it's a sorry thing to have (young) people like that in this world today.

    Topic was allowed to continue for many pages, I guess that was found to be amusing to those who were doing moderating job at the time.

    Anyhow, many such things turned this place into a popular ZOO, I was often saying that I never encountered such hostility (in various forms) on most forums I ever had a chance to see on net...
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    Civility probably declined in relation to the amount of new stuff to discuss.

    I remember being able to read for hours stuff back and forth about the game, Eastern front, etc.

    Once it was all relatively new...but now after so many years, there is not much new to discuss.
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    The fact that this forum has gone on as long as it has says much for the quality of the IL-2 series and the members of the community, despite the appearance of the odd troll every now and then. I've played many fight simulators over the years and IL-2 ties for first place, with FSX, as my very favorite.

    I remember when I first played the original version of IL-2. As an American, I scarcely had the idea that Germany and Russia even fought each other during WWII, never mind the scale of the fight. It was something that was simply never taught or talked about when I was a kid. "'Merica won the war all by herself!" Now, along with the Pacific theatre of operations, the Eastern front is my favorite area of study in WWII. I own some 30 books and DVDs on the subjects and have read/seen them all cover to cover, some multiple times. I don't think my current knowledge of the Eastern front would ever be what it is today without that initial spark of interest created by my enjoyment of IL-2. That is probably the single biggest thing that I take away with this.
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    The use or "Two weeks" for next uptate are used in foruns in the glorius days of IEN Warbirds 2.7x online around 97/98.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by steve_v:
    That was back in the day when Oleg visited on Fridays and people were respectful. A lot has changed in 10 years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    A lot of people were respectful but never less than a few were rude and demanding right from the start. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Not really sure how it got downhill so much, politics or rather allowing politic filled topics on "hot issues" were IMO a big reason why some things went downhill... people, unless they aren't mature (regardless of age) will never heat up around a PC game and even if they do they don't take it too seriously...

    Still remember one nutcase (not a troll) with whom I argued because he tried to somehow excuse some real war monsters... to add to the tragedy he was studied law (or finished his studies, can't remember) so he fully understood what he was saying, it's a sorry thing to have (young) people like that in this world today.

    Topic was allowed to continue for many pages, I guess that was found to be amusing to those who were doing moderating job at the time.

    Anyhow, many such things turned this place into a popular ZOO, I was often saying that I never encountered such hostility (in various forms) on most forums I ever had a chance to see on net... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Things started to go downhill just after 9/11 when the Gulf War started.. but before that there were still trolls in here.. remember when France jokes were all the rage.. ? Oleg used to have a forum in here called Oleg's Ready room.. and we would get regular Friday updates.. but as for the "Two weeks be sure.." I believe it was after one of the 2.xx patches.. I think the "be sure" was the thing that Oleg added in reference to this sim correct? Just before PF was released and it was in reference to the next patch if I am not mistaken...
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    I think you are right BC, thats how I remember it too. I distincly remember Oleg using the Be Sure phrase in reference to one of the patches just prior to AEP.

    He's still a rich source of material. One of his finest was delivered a little over 18 months ago in reply to a detailed question posted on the bannana forum. Oleg weighed the pros and cons, considered all angles and delivered the exquisitely multifunctional reply, Sure No.
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    "Sure no"

    I love that.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight-:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
    Things started to go downhill just after 9/11 when the Gulf War started.. but before that there were still trolls in here..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>thats when the pilots lounge was closed

    Olegs Ready Room was where discussions held civil disagreements between people who would resort to abuses in General. by the time of AEP people were not respecting that anymore
    "Mustang whiners are the worst" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Absolutely.. and it took 8 years and endless lobbying for at least 4 years in order to get an OT forum back here on these boards.. and we almost lost it again for some of the same types of stuff in 2008/2009. I am glad that we didn't.

    as far as Mustang whiners being the worst.. well at least they never got a phrase coined after them.. One that I might add is still in use to this day.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
    as far as Mustang whiners being the worst.. well at least they never got a phrase coined after them.. One that I might add is still in use to this day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    LMAO. Attacking the P-51 people was always a diversion to hide the oceans of Luft-tears shed over the 20MM.

    Be sure.
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