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[CRIMS0NM0NKEY]

It's rather simple really, at least in my opinion. If a person is talking sense then they're talking sense and I will be more inclined to hear what they have to say. I don't need to see their in-game statistics or their gaming CV or the size of their majestic e-peen to decide whether they're worth listening to or not. What they write and how they express themselves will be the judge of that.

Your view is bias. You're judging their sense on yours. You might be agreeing or disagreeing on false pretenses. Knowing a person's background information is helpful in not disseminating a false narrative within the subject matter.

[ChampionRuby50g]

It's data of for honor. Don't get hung up on how people's use that data.

I’m just telling it how it is mate. I’ve been on this forum for over a year now and viewed thousands of posts, and in all of those posts when rep and k/d get brought into the discussion it’s always used to troll or flame. There’s a reason why the moderation team has said in the past to not bring up FH Tracker into conversations. If you can’t see that it’s not going to benefit anyone or anything, I don’t know what else to say.

[CRIMS0NM0NKEY]

I’m just telling it how it is mate. I’ve been on this forum for over a year now and viewed thousands of posts, and in all of those posts when rep and k/d get brought into the discussion it’s always used to troll or flame. There’s a reason why the moderation team has said in the past to not bring up FH Tracker into conversations. If you can’t see that it’s not going to benefit anyone or anything, I don’t know what else to say.

I do see your point as it seems to be sensitive and will take your advice. Thank you. I was apparently over zealous in developing the exchange of information format.

I've deleted all numerical information in my message to better serve the spirit of its intention as the precedence it serves, hopefully, without too much diminishment from the lack of full disclosure.

Hopefully, In the future more data of a numerical nature can be covered without fear of ridicule or reproach.

[DefiledDragon]

Isn't that exactly what ubisoft is doing when modeling the game after competitive play?

Yes, it is and while I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, I do think that doing so exclusively and to the detriment of the experience of the other 98% of the playerbase is a mistake. You isolate the majority at your peril.

[Vakris_One]

Your view is bias. You're judging their sense on yours. You might be agreeing or disagreeing on false pretenses. Knowing a person's background information is helpful in not disseminating a false narrative within the subject matter.

My view is determined by how many facts are contained within a person's arguments. Facts are unbiased. FH Tracker stats are just a bunch of statistics, they don't tell you anything about how skilled or how much expertise a player has, whether they play primarily in premade teams or in matchmaking or whether they face tough opponents or are simply using a smurf account. Without context statistics are just numbers on a screen.

Did you know, for example, that task killing the game in order to quit out of losing a match does not count as a loss on your records? There used to be an infamous PC player who was well known for rage quitting a match every single time he was losing. He became a meme within the Reddit community but his FH Tracker stats are incredibly high. This guy was in the top 0.01% of players according to the statistics but in reality he was an incredibly bad player that simply padded his K/D ratio. The flaw in your logic is that you would potentially give this type of person undeservedly high significance based solely on numbers without context.

And then we have the inevitable flaming and pettiness that happens every time someone brings up in-game stats in order to belittle and undermine someone else when they find they cannot beat their arguments with facts and logic. It happens absolutely every time when in-game stats are brought into a debate and it all gets very toxic, very fast.

[Alustar.exe]

Statistics should never be used as measure of how valid a persons OPINION is. K/D is a horribly lacking measure of skill, as that doesn't tell you where their skill actually lies. It doesn't tell you their ability to block/parry or avoid attacks, nor does it tell you how they operate in team matches. Only try hards and no lifers rely on something like match wins and K/D to validate the opinions of others. Basically you are saying that unless someone performs on your skewed view of skill, their thoughts on balance and game mechanics are invalid, which is counter productive to having constructive debates, as well as making informed and relevant discussions. That is more harmful to the community.

[CRIMS0NM0NKEY]

My view is determined by how many facts are contained within a person's arguments. Facts are unbiased. FH Tracker stats are just a bunch of statistics, they don't tell you anything about how skilled or how much expertise a player has, whether they play primarily in premade teams or in matchmaking or whether they face tough opponents or are simply using a smurf account. Without context statistics are just numbers on a screen.

Did you know, for example, that task killing the game in order to quit out of losing a match does not count as a loss on your records? There used to be an infamous PC player who was well known for rage quitting a match every single time he was losing. He became a meme within the Reddit community but his FH Tracker stats are incredibly high. This guy was in the top 0.01% of players according to the statistics but in reality he was an incredibly bad player that simply padded his K/D ratio. The flaw in your logic is that you would potentially give this type of person undeservedly high significance based solely on numbers without context.

And then we have the inevitable flaming and pettiness that happens every time someone brings up in-game stats in order to belittle and undermine someone else when they find they cannot beat their arguments with facts and logic. It happens absolutely every time when in-game stats are brought into a debate and it all gets very toxic, very fast.

I respect your opinion about Kd and it's inherent flaws. It is used by others and myself as a means of distinguishing skill level. I don't want to argue one bit of data I placed in the first message nor my personal beliefs on why it should or shouldn't be included. I will say it is apparently too sensitive of a subject for people. I see that now. So there is no point in discussing the merits of its use or it's flaws at this time. People use it to judge so I included it. I didn't want to however at the time I thought full disclosure would be appropriate for what I was trying to accomplish.

The idea behind giving some background information is logical for reasons I've already stated. That is my primary concern.

[CRIMS0NM0NKEY]

Statistics should never be used as measure of how valid a persons OPINION is. K/D is a horribly lacking measure of skill, as that doesn't tell you where their skill actually lies. It doesn't tell you their ability to block/parry or avoid attacks, nor does it tell you how they operate in team matches. Only try hards and no lifers rely on something like match wins and K/D to validate the opinions of others. Basically you are saying that unless someone performs on your skewed view of skill, their thoughts on balance and game mechanics are invalid, which is counter productive to having constructive debates, as well as making informed and relevant discussions. That is more harmful to the community.

People including myself use KD as information. Much like economics of today it is flawed but it is used regardless for lack of a better alternative. How people use it is their prerogative. Bigotry towards me or others that find KD useful is pointless.

[Vakris_One]

I respect your opinion about Kd and it's inherent flaws. It is used by others and myself as a means of distinguishing skill level. I don't want to argue one bit of data I placed in the first message nor my personal beliefs on why it should or shouldn't be included. I will say it is apparently too sensitive of a subject for people. I see that now. So there is no point in discussing the merits of its use or it's flaws at this time. People use it to judge so I included it. I didn't want to however at the time I thought full disclosure would be appropriate for what I was trying to accomplish.

The idea behind giving some background information is logical for reasons I've already stated. That is my primary concern.

Fair enough. If I may ask what's your ultimate reason for wanting game stats tied to forum credibility? Is it to promote a way of sorting feedback and suggestions into most relevant to least relevant?

[CRIMS0NM0NKEY]

Yes, it is and while I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, I do think that doing so exclusively and to the detriment of the experience of the other 98% of the playerbase is a mistake. You isolate the majority at your peril.

Of that we agree. You don't have to use how good a player is as exclusive information to make an decision. You could use other information as well like do they only play duels, do they only play on PC, did they just start playing the game, do they play a specific character, do they only play AI ect. KD, in my opinion, is useful to know but only one piece of the puzzle to better make an "informed" discussion on matters being discussed in this forum. That is my intention.
People should take what others say on this forum from the other person's perspective as best as they can which is why it would be nice if we had that information at our disposal.
If you had my information and read a post I made that said "Centurion is fine right now. No need to buff him" you would know from my profile that I don't usually play centurion, I am probably using shugoki to fight him, I'm a decent/vet player, I'm fighting on dominion or breach on Xbox. All that information would not have been available to you had I not put it on my profile.
Someone made a post recently that shugoki needed to have his passive HA removed because he, a conqueror, was getting his as handed to him by the thick boy. I posted that shugoki isn't a good match-up with his character and the call for a Nerf was unnecessary (I forget my exact words). By looking at my profile now he could see more detail about my play style to validate or negate my comment for himself more easily.