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[Blitzwarrior771]

Yeah let’s talk about cheap play style , orochi , aramusha , Valkyrie ,raider carry you on his shoulder all day long , peacekeeper and his bleeds , and berserker his damn annoying . All mentioned above can chain you . Raider can put you in a sit up position and play with u like a toy .

[lululul192]

All of wulin is quite good atm, they all been balance by UBIsoft already, what are you thinking? Most of them have annoying moves, dmg is good enough to hanlde opponent - compare to old characters. and JJ fat *** is one of the most annoying wulin char, even that Tiandi had super fast move to dodge. Done blame the Character, just you cant play good enough to get full control of them. there's many good players out there, and there's a few post like this?!

[Siegfried-Z]

Yeah most players disagree with me because at first they didn't know how to deal with these new heroes so that's why they are complaining which is silly

but now it's all clear and i see a lot of holes in the Wu Lin heroes that must be fixed , we wan't to feel the worth of our money

they might be good but not good enough that's why i'm upset with all these noobs demanding nerfs on them just because they don't know how to play against them .

man this is not a pay to win. If you feel like WuLin char are weak you should just have as a best answer to Get Gud.

at first hero’s were great now they feel more sluggish maybe after patch or players learn their moves too quick ? Why is Valkyrie so fast so op ? Why did u buff aramusha ? Only Nuxia is good for pvp . And why jj unblockable is not going trough **** this defensive meta I’m so tired of these cockroaches .

Looks you play another game than others.
Valkyrie is OP ? LOL can you please argue because speed is not a Valk strengh as her heavies are slow, her zone is slow, and her lights are All 500ms which is average except 400ms only by the top for second and 3rd one which are pretty often parried if used stupidly at a decent level.

Aramusha did get a buff ? Looks you never played him, he has lost a lot of mix up potential and is much slower than before and get what ? side heavy doing 10 more dmg where before it was 30 but with top light of 13 dmg guaranteed... so he's got a dmg nerf as well. They only improoved by 100ms his side deadly feint which means nothing except killing his potential.

Only Nuxia good for PvP ? She's the worst of WulIn for Pvp by far.

JJ UB not going through ? In PvP it goes through very often if well used.

I really doubt you're playing For Honor.

[Roseguard_Cpt]

To respond to the OP's points directly;

"Tiandi's non-sword hits should do damage"

With Tiandi having a Dodging, Undodgeable, Superior Blocking, Counter Crushing, 400 ms light I don't feel he needs to have his Palm Strike potential followup do damage. The Dragon kick however I feel would be fine with 5-10 damage as it flings people bodily.

"Shaolin struggles when people dodge him"

Shaolin as an Undodgeable heavy from both dodge and Qi Stance in response to this.

"Jiang Jun has too high of stamina costs, remove Sifu Poise and normalize his stamina loss"

Jiang Jun has High Stamina costs to help balance him. He takes a lot of stamina to attack but can regain it easily. However if you spam attacks and regen too much, people will GB you when you go for Sifu. Being punished for spamming but having an option to help counter-offense sounds fine to me. Not to mention Sifu has a dodge property like HS.

"Nuxia is annoying, nerf her"

While 400ms Lights are annoying, Nuxia is extremely weak. She only has lights, heavies, a slow zone, and traps. her traps are however very bad as they can be negated by;
-Switching Guard
-Guard Break
-Light
-Unlock
-and if you're feeling rude, Emote
Essentially she only has lights, but most people I would argue with a little practice could dodge the first and parry the second

[MrB3NX]

To respond to the OP's points directly;

"Tiandi's non-sword hits should do damage"

With Tiandi having a Dodging, Undodgeable, Superior Blocking, Counter Crushing, 400 ms light I don't feel he needs to have his Palm Strike potential followup do damage. The Dragon kick however I feel would be fine with 5-10 damage as it flings people bodily.

"Shaolin struggles when people dodge him"

Shaolin as an Undodgeable heavy from both dodge and Qi Stance in response to this.

"Jiang Jun has too high of stamina costs, remove Sifu Poise and normalize his stamina loss"

Jiang Jun has High Stamina costs to help balance him. He takes a lot of stamina to attack but can regain it easily. However if you spam attacks and regen too much, people will GB you when you go for Sifu. Being punished for spamming but having an option to help counter-offense sounds fine to me. Not to mention Sifu has a dodge property like HS.

"Nuxia is annoying, nerf her"

While 400ms Lights are annoying, Nuxia is extremely weak. She only has lights, heavies, a slow zone, and traps. her traps are however very bad as they can be negated by;
-Switching Guard
-Guard Break
-Light
-Unlock
-and if you're feeling rude, Emote
Essentially she only has lights, but most people I would argue with a little practice could dodge the first and parry the second

Tiandi sends people flying via zero damage kick is a freaking joke of the season

why cent ,raider ,conq and glad can actually hit with their non weapon attacks but Tiandi can't !?

i want an explanation for this messed up situation .

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Shaolin without the teleport would face troubles on catching the hit and run enemies , there are so damn good feats that i wanna pick but i can't because i need the damn teleport to make this weakling useful for a bit .


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Are you seriously defending the Sifu pose for the sake of dodging ? you smart boy must of forgot you can dodge all you want without this cruel garbage handicap .

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I have put my reasons that its very obvious and it doesn't need going on details like this to explain it but here it is the details you want

My understanding for this game exceeds all of you that's why Ubi should consider my suggestion because it is as real as it gets .

[Averageperson10]

shouldn't this post be in feedback and suggestions not general , Worthless post

[MrB3NX]

shouldn't this post be in feedback and suggestions not general , Worthless post

the other sections are dead , i put it here and i got a dev respond which is okay .

[Siegfried-Z]

Tiandi sends people flying via zero damage kick is a freaking joke of the season

why cent ,raider ,conq and glad can actually hit with their non weapon attacks but Tiandi can't !?

i want an explanation for this messed up situation .

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Shaolin without the teleport would face troubles on catching the hit and run enemies , there are so damn good feats that i wanna pick but i can't because i need the damn teleport to make this weakling useful for a bit .


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Are you seriously defending the Sifu pose for the sake of dodging ? you smart boy must of forgot you can dodge all you want without this cruel garbage handicap .

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I have put my reasons that its very obvious and it doesn't need going on details like this to explain it but here it is the details you want

My understanding for this game exceeds all of you that's why Ubi should consider my suggestion because it is as real as it gets .

Man do you read yourself ? Do you really believe ubi care about opinion like yours ?

Let me clarify something, your understanding of the game is close to the absolut zero.

Let me tell you why you're wrong with every wulin char.

TIANDI

Your argue is to say he is weak because his bash didn't score dmg, you forgot something, his hand bash guarantee a light and can show up really fastly at any moment of his mix up + his kick is softfeintable into dash attacks.. Which is pretty strong and kick is knocking the opponent down so far that you can ledge or kill into peaks very easly. It can also let you and your mates destroy a guy in 1sec if there is a wall behind him.

So, Tiandi Bash doesn't need to do DMG.

That beiing said, Tiandi has lots of Dodge abilities and mix up arround that, he is the only char of the whole game with the ability to feint a side dash attack into whatever he wants and to have heavy or light dash options in any directions.

Plus to that, he has two kind of bash he can use at almost any moments.

He has sup block.
He is the only Vanguard of the game to have 400ms lights.
His zone is pretty good.
He has good feats.
His dmg ouputt are fine looking at how it is easy to hit opponent with him.

JJ :

Your argue to say he is weak is his stam cost.
Well; he require lots of stam but whatever you say about that, his Sifu stance allow him to regen his stam so fast that i would even say stam management is a JJ strenght. And i am rep 3 with him.

Now let's have a look at JJ strong points.

Best HP pool of the game on par with LB
Strong defense with fix guard and lots of health and shield feats
Came out very fast to an OOS situation with Sifu
Despite beiing a heavy, he has 500ms lights of 20dmg
Only heavy to have real side dash attacks with 20dmg, considered as a heavy (low risk and can execute) and can be softfeinted into a 16dmg 400lights in the opposite direction
Insane punishes : 26dmg heavy parry followed by an UB or a Slap which almost make OOS opponent plus light or heavy if wallsplat (plus mates can heavy hit the guy during animation)... Top heavy on light parry and wallsplat, top heavy and UB on OOS punish
Front dash attack can be softfeinted into a very fast kick with a 20dmg light of UB if wallsplat... very good option to max punish an opponent while OOS with hardfeint GB
JJ have HA on first heavy
JJ second heavies are UB in any direction
JJ zone can chain

JJ is weak ? Man he even outshine Kensei by far in 4v4

Shaolin :

He is weak because of dodge attack ? At this point of the game, it is not an argue, you can't say any char is weak against "dodge", if you get caught by a happy dodger opponents, it just show a lack of skills.

Btw, Shaolin is pretty strong :

400ms top lights from neutral and all others at 500ms
Ability to score a triple light at once or double and QI stance
Lights are pretty fast in his combo and heavies have good AOE properties (so, he is not weak against dodge).
QI stance can be used at any moments of his combo
While in QI stance, his options are so intense that he can outplay his popponent wery easly, he can kick, he can side heavy you which is undodgable to bait your dash, he can just stun you with the light, or he can land a UB feinted for a crushing counter or whatever
His crushing counter and deflects really have an easy timing ! Far easier than HL crushing counter or Valk on deflect for exemple
He has one of the best second feat with teleportation
Health back on block on the 3rd feat..

A decent player can mix up you to death with Shaolin.

Nuxia :

I've not played her, don't like her design so i would not talk too much about her.

I just thing she is strong in 1v1.
And she has a 400ms lights chain which is annoying.. but she doesn't feel that strong. A bit weak i would say.

Just go to the Arena and till you get gud, play arcade and PVE

[MrB3NX]

Man do you read yourself ? Do you really believe ubi care about opinion like yours ?

Let me clarify something, your understanding of the game is close to the absolut zero.

Let me tell you why you're wrong with every wulin char.

TIANDI

Your argue is to say he is weak because his bash didn't score dmg, you forgot something, his hand bash guarantee a light and can show up really fastly at any moment of his mix up + his kick is softfeintable into dash attacks.. Which is pretty strong and kick is knocking the opponent down so far that you can ledge or kill into peaks very easly. It can also let you and your mates destroy a guy in 1sec if there is a wall behind him.

So, Tiandi Bash doesn't need to do DMG.

That beiing said, Tiandi has lots of Dodge abilities and mix up arround that, he is the only char of the whole game with the ability to feint a side dash attack into whatever he wants and to have heavy or light dash options in any directions.

Plus to that, he has two kind of bash he can use at almost any moments.

He has sup block.
He is the only Vanguard of the game to have 400ms lights.
His zone is pretty good.
He has good feats.
His dmg ouputt are fine looking at how it is easy to hit opponent with him.

JJ :

Your argue to say he is weak is his stam cost.
Well; he require lots of stam but whatever you say about that, his Sifu stance allow him to regen his stam so fast that i would even say stam management is a JJ strenght. And i am rep 3 with him.

Now let's have a look at JJ strong points.

Best HP pool of the game on par with LB
Strong defense with fix guard and lots of health and shield feats
Came out very fast to an OOS situation with Sifu
Despite beiing a heavy, he has 500ms lights of 20dmg
Only heavy to have real side dash attacks with 20dmg, considered as a heavy (low risk and can execute) and can be softfeinted into a 16dmg 400lights in the opposite direction
Insane punishes : 26dmg heavy parry followed by an UB or a Slap which almost make OOS opponent plus light or heavy if wallsplat (plus mates can heavy hit the guy during animation)... Top heavy on light parry and wallsplat, top heavy and UB on OOS punish
Front dash attack can be softfeinted into a very fast kick with a 20dmg light of UB if wallsplat... very good option to max punish an opponent while OOS with hardfeint GB
JJ have HA on first heavy
JJ second heavies are UB in any direction
JJ zone can chain

JJ is weak ? Man he even outshine Kensei by far in 4v4

Shaolin :

He is weak because of dodge attack ? At this point of the game, it is not an argue, you can't say any char is weak against "dodge", if you get caught by a happy dodger opponents, it just show a lack of skills.

Btw, Shaolin is pretty strong :

400ms top lights from neutral and all others at 500ms
Ability to score a triple light at once or double and QI stance
Lights are pretty fast in his combo and heavies have good AOE properties (so, he is not weak against dodge).
QI stance can be used at any moments of his combo
While in QI stance, his options are so intense that he can outplay his popponent wery easly, he can kick, he can side heavy you which is undodgable to bait your dash, he can just stun you with the light, or he can land a UB feinted for a crushing counter or whatever
His crushing counter and deflects really have an easy timing ! Far easier than HL crushing counter or Valk on deflect for exemple
He has one of the best second feat with teleportation
Health back on block on the 3rd feat..

A decent player can mix up you to death with Shaolin.

Nuxia :

I've not played her, don't like her design so i would not talk too much about her.

I just thing she is strong in 1v1.
And she has a 400ms lights chain which is annoying.. but she doesn't feel that strong. A bit weak i would say.

Just go to the Arena and till you get gud, play arcade and PVE

I made this thread to discuss the holes , cons and disadvantages of the Wu Lin heroes

and you should argue with me on that

but what you did here is simply reminding us of their pros and advantages that has nothing to do of what i said

i liked the other members who actually tried to argue on the point and not to revolve around it serving nothing to our goal .

[Jrock42_]

I made this thread to discuss the holes , cons and disadvantages of the Wu Lin heroes

and you should argue with me on that

but what you did here is simply reminding us of their pros and advantages that has nothing to do of what i said

i liked the other members who actually tried to argue on the point and not to revolve around it serving nothing to our goal .

Mate he just dismantled your argument. By the way every character needs weaknesses, that's common sense, like others have said this game isn't pay to win. The wu line are all mostly balanced, nuxia nees changes as she is very one dimensional and paper thin.