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[bannex19]

Pve breach is the only thing i do now. Think im reupping my champ status? Dreaming ubi. I defended the heck out of this game but mf feels cheap and old heroes barely work.

How are your power points coming? If you need, i can through one together for you on how to rework the remaining heroes. I can also guarantee it will work

[mann61299]

I am very glad I didn't order the dlc...I will play occasionally a little longer likely, but certainly won't spend any money...and my time will mostly go to other games...the game took a HUGE step backward and there is no movement forward in sight, but enjoy your 10000 steel pumpkin emote...what a joke!

[StrOf10kBabies]

I'm taking a major break from the game since I have been a Lawbringer main since open beta. There is absolutely zero excuse for the games current state of balance. If you want developers to start listening to you, just stop buying and supporting their product. It's simple logic. One of the biggest problems with For Honor is that there is a clear disconnection of the developers and community player feedback. They have stated openly to the public is that they use in game "data" to do their balancing. This might point back to Roman who is apparently the creative director for For Honor, so he might be the one responsible for the balancing decisions for the game. It's honestly hard to tell if he is the one truly responsible behind the scenes, but it sure doesn't help when he tells everyone to "go learn to play Lawbringer" when I would personally love to see him use the Lawbringer against a competitive conqueror, berserker, shaman, etc. and get destroyed in the process.

With the recent and unexplained Shugoki nerf that happened in this most recent patch, if you haven't found out that this development team has clear no clue what the flying f*ck that they are doing then either you are too ignorant to care about the current state of the game or you must be new. I'm not saying that you are OP, but anyone with some decent time invested in the game will already know the problems that this game has been facing since season 6 and how these developers keep swiping issues under the rug in favor for cosmetics. Thankfully, there are better fighting game alternatives than For Honor right now like Soul Caliber 6. Conqueror's Blade might be promising as long as the devs don't make it ptw so I suggest keeping an eye out on that title too.

[Xil_h]

Did I just read you consider Nobushi overpowered due to HS, OP?
Lolz

[SpaceJim12]

I was in your boat. I took a few months break. I came back and only play the game casually. (venturing into 4's instead of only dueling has greatly helped my sanity with the game.)
I'd suggest a break to you as well. And if you do come back try to find enjoyment in what the game is. I myself still occasionally make suggestions on how to improve parts of the game or hero kits. But i've mostly accepted that what I want from the game is never going to happen. or if anything happens remotely in the direction that I want it likely won't be in my ideal way. So I kinda just let go.

I think the only way to play now is to play casual. Wu Lin balanced against each other, but on some old heroes you just can't do a thing. I tried to play Shinobi last night, felt myself pretty useless. Looks like people could CGB his range with closed eyes. And Wu Lin...wow, you could do double dodge countless times, but dancing Tiandi still be far away from your kick. And I could think I'm just suck, but next game I took Orochi and have 30 kills in Breach, was on top with my score in both teams. Reworked chars can somehow be on level with new chars, but what about PK, for example? Nuxia it's like PK+Shaman on steroids, so why devs nerf PK at first place? Now all PK mainers could use Nuxia and be same annoying and effective.
I'm not complaining about new heroes, it's not a point. I could kill em. Thing that bothering me, is that devs were to busy or too lazy to reworked all old cast heroes BEFORE Wu Lin. To understand how it coud be, look at Kensei. He hell of a guy. Not OP, not UP. And he got all the tools to make Wu Lin suffer. I played couple game on Kensei and feel fine. Noone looks like OP for me, I killed, I died and I had fun.
Someone could say "why not play Wu Lin"? Easy. I don't like them. Maybe if Ubi add Kung Fu master with knuckles I play as him. But none of new heroes looks intresting for me. And people who prefer to play on LB, Warlord, PK, Shino, Ara or Nobu sould have tools to deal with Wu Lin and be effective.

[Knight_Raime]

I think the only way to play now is to play casual. Wu Lin balanced against each other, but on some old heroes you just can't do a thing. I tried to play Shinobi last night, felt myself pretty useless. Looks like people could CGB his range with closed eyes. And Wu Lin...wow, you could do double dodge countless times, but dancing Tiandi still be far away from your kick. And I could think I'm just suck, but next game I took Orochi and have 30 kills in Breach, was on top with my score in both teams. Reworked chars can somehow be on level with new chars, but what about PK, for example? Nuxia it's like PK+Shaman on steroids, so why devs nerf PK at first place? Now all PK mainers could use Nuxia and be same annoying and effective.
I'm not complaining about new heroes, it's not a point. I could kill em. Thing that bothering me, is that devs were to busy or too lazy to reworked all old cast heroes BEFORE Wu Lin. To understand how it coud be, look at Kensei. He hell of a guy. Not OP, not UP. And he got all the tools to make Wu Lin suffer. I played couple game on Kensei and feel fine. Noone looks like OP for me, I killed, I died and I had fun.
Someone could say "why not play Wu Lin"? Easy. I don't like them. Maybe if Ubi add Kung Fu master with knuckles I play as him. But none of new heroes looks intresting for me. And people who prefer to play on LB, Warlord, PK, Shino, Ara or Nobu sould have tools to deal with Wu Lin and be effective.

I mean realistically speaking the only way you could play competitive for several months now was if you were basically one of the best players in the game. Because the stuff you start fighting in high tier makes normal play even between two fairly decent players look like a joke. It's hilariously awful how little is actually viable at that level. Basically I was just telling OP that you can't really take the game seriously anymore if you want to keep your enjoyment with the game. It's been like that for months now. It just took a few months long break for me to accept it.

As for your talk of the OG roster I would agree to an extent. heros who are still not really polished struggle against wu-lin. Nobushi and Lawbringer are two good examples of this. But I feel like most of the OG cast can fight at least 2 of the wu-lin on nearly fair ground. Dlc roster wise mostly no. Really only highlander stands a decent chance against most of them. Glad maybe if he's REALLY good at spacing and not struggling with his fast guard decay. Aramusha, centurion, and shinobi all struggle immensely with them. I haven't had the chance to use shaman against the wu-lin yet. But I don't see why she'd struggle against any. Sans maybe Jiang jun.

[SpaceJim12]

I mean realistically speaking the only way you could play competitive for several months now was if you were basically one of the best players in the game. Because the stuff you start fighting in high tier makes normal play even between two fairly decent players look like a joke. It's hilariously awful how little is actually viable at that level. Basically I was just telling OP that you can't really take the game seriously anymore if you want to keep your enjoyment with the game. It's been like that for months now. It just took a few months long break for me to accept it.

As for your talk of the OG roster I would agree to an extent. heros who are still not really polished struggle against wu-lin. Nobushi and Lawbringer are two good examples of this. But I feel like most of the OG cast can fight at least 2 of the wu-lin on nearly fair ground. Dlc roster wise mostly no. Really only highlander stands a decent chance against most of them. Glad maybe if he's REALLY good at spacing and not struggling with his fast guard decay. Aramusha, centurion, and shinobi all struggle immensely with them. I haven't had the chance to use shaman against the wu-lin yet. But I don't see why she'd struggle against any. Sans maybe Jiang jun.

And best players play should look really strange, I think. Outside of meta characters, of course. I see how people now could bite to parry with your feint, and then cancel their own heavy. And that's on really average play. I think most of "mind games" even can't work on top tier gameplay.

LB and Nobu bad not only against Wu Lin. The problem here is their kits and limits. I met very good Nobu last night (and I played Nobushi too) and our fight was so stupid. She new all my moves and tricks, I knew her. And while I could kill other 3 enemies at once, I can't beated her during this match same as she can't beated me. Same with LB. After shove he can do only GB or attack. Dodge, or CGB. And while all this not a Wu Lin problem directly, still I can't accept, that devs choose to add 4 new heroes with so much options and forget about old chars. I think Wu Lin could be good separate from Breach. Second game birthday would be a nice time to add them. And instead of Wu Lin we could see reworks for others character, who deffinitly not on Wu Lin level at all.

[Vakris_One]

This is true. I just play casual. that way you can enjoy it. Sadly the thing that makes this game cool..unique heroes and combat....is the very reason why it can never be balanced. Thats the way it is. I mean if things were perfectly balanced then every hero would essentially be the same :/.

More heroes can absolutely be made viable without making them the same thing. Kensei, Zerker, Warden, Shaman, Highlander for example are all quite viable without being the same thing. I would put Conq in there too but he's only viable because of a single overtuned move so that doesn't really count. It is however very possible for this game to be a lot more balanced than what it is currently, it's just that the developers are either incapable or unwilling to put the work in to balance it properly. Shiny cosmetics and a half-arsed PvE mode seem to be more important to them.

The game's progress has stalled for the time being until the devs decide to get serious about the balance between heroes. Until that happens, if it ever does happen, this game is best taken as nothing but a casual experience with a very limited shelf life. The competitive side of things have closed down. The biggest competitive Discord group For Glory stopped organising and hosting tournaments because of the sorry state that high level play has been left in for months by the devs.

If you can find some fun in playing For Honor casually for the flawed mess that it is then go for it. If not it's best to put this game down and wait for a time when the devs get back to balancing it.

[RoyalAhole]

The funny part is no one wanted this "expansion" if you can call a new game mode an expansion. People just want a balanced game, now imagine how many players would come back if they
balanced the game instead of this joke that probably took them all the time to develop. Before the expansion steam stats showed 17k daily peak, now it's barely 13k after the expansion...
Same for Halloween event, you can't get into a game...Dominion is very high and Breach medium, says enough about it.

[Illyrian_King]

The funny part is no one wanted this "expansion" if you can call a new game mode an expansion. People just want a balanced game, now imagine how many players would come back if they
balanced the game instead of this joke that probably took them all the time to develop. Before the expansion steam stats showed 17k daily peak, now it's barely 13k after the expansion...
Same for Halloween event, you can't get into a game...Dominion is very high and Breach medium, says enough about it.

Nope this isn't true.

The forum and reddit was overfilled with posts about a Siege Mode and new heroes/factions.

I am for balance too, but the game was literally unplayable because of such a limited amount of content. I am here since the very beginning and having Dominion as the "biggest" thing in FH was underwhelming even after a week. Not to mention 2 years and more if you also include Alpha and Beta into consideration.

Breach was and is the biggest and best thing they ever introduced, but it needs way more maps and now should be the focus on this and balancing stuff.