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Breach just doesn’t live up to the hype. Having finally played it (been away since MF dropped) I found it to be just like all of the other 4v4 game modes.
Hear me out here. Breach is mechanically different; different objectives, different stages, longer matches. But the way players play is the same. Winning doesn’t matter, it’s about enjoying the experience. This leads to very ganky gameplay.
Ganking is not an effective method of winning. There are too many lanes and therefore too much to do. But this doesn’t matter at all! It is still plenty fun enough for a group of 4 to do.
As an attacker, all three phases must be completed for the game to end. Even if the ram takes no damage and moves quickly, the game still takes 20 minutes. That’s 20 minutes being repeatedly ganked and executed, then having to wait sometimes a full 30 seconds before I can respawn. There’s nothing fun about that!
I’ve learned my lesson. Hoping that 4v4 will change is a waste of time. It’s still a remarkably un-fun experience.
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This is always going to happen in a team mode more so if it's a pre made team we need solo ques would make breach so much more enjoyableOriginally Posted by Chobbsy99 Go to original post
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unfortunately, 4v4 will never be anything but a gank fest now. the core gameplay has changed and has been balanced for duels.
back in the beta and S1, ganking was less effective, because well you might 3 on 1 someone and kill them, it will take awhile. a heavy like the conq or warlord could easily stay alive for quite some time against multiple people, which meant well they were wasting their time killing that guy the rest of the team are off doing work. and of course in S1 we had the super revenge builds (not that, that was a good thing, as it was way too much)
now there are so many unblockable attacks, bashes and grabs, that ganking works far to well, as you can just pinball someone around and kill them quick.
and it's only gotten worse with the new cast, personally i i think marching fire should have been like a relaunch of for honour, rather than add a new faction (that's really not needed) they should have focused that effect of updating the old cast and focusing on balance, refresh the game with a brand new game mode and all new balancing.
instead, we got a new gear system and a bunch of new characters that can do everything the old cast can, plus a load of new stuff.
it feels like for honor has just become a testing ground for the devs, just to see what they can come up with and what's possible, players and balance be damned.
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The gank fest happens in the defending team when the Ram is too strong and the lives of the attacking team are being spent too quickly...or at the very beginning it's easy to gank because the attacking team has two objectives.
The attacking team should get full health on revive during the first part. 75 percent on the second and 50 percent on the last. This might help balance the breach.
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I've been saying this in like 4 threads now , I feel you brother. It's not really the new cast fault. It's the fact we took away gear stats for cheap perks. Base stats are perfect in 1v1. But in 4v4 gear stats allowed you to create a build that could be put to the task you yourself feel you're good at , attacking, defending etc. The real unbalance is the fact gear stats are gone. Now we're left with base hero stats that are clearly wayyy too different to match up with each other. Why play warlord when you have berserker
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I agree that it is a gankfest. Imo the way out of this is to remove tickets for the first two phases. If ubi wanted an objective mode then the focus should be an objective I.e. the ram, not making ganking a viable strategy via the ticket system. Then you end up with dominion 2.0.
Granted if you have a group to play with then you're probably not going to have this problem as much, as teamwork actually happens with a group.
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Thanks for all the responses guys. Glad to see people agree! Breach is such a good idea, it just needs tweaking to make it fun for all. After all, being killed in a fair matchup isn't irritating in the slightest; if anything, there's something kinda cool about being beaten totally fairly. It's just ganking that feels really cheap.
I feel the main issue is that ganking is just so damn fun. As a casual player with little stake in winning the match, it's more enjoyable to get a load of kills cheaply than die lots but eventually win. This could be fixed by making rewards for losing rubbish, but the rewards aren't exactly brilliant anyway and I certainly don't want them lowered for anyone.
I reckon the best way to fix breach (and possibly all 4v4) is to change executions. Make it so that minions can no longer interrupt (except officers) but make executions unavailable for gank situations. If a battle is more than a 2v1 (so this would affect 3v1 and 4v1 engagements) the killer cannot execute. This would prevent the 'gank squad' from gaining health, would allow revives for the attacking team and would make the game less fun when ganking. I think this would be a step in the right direction.
