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[Demannu.Resu]

Ah. Well you'd only use that attack to deal with raw bashes.
Lb has to do everything after shove on read. Where as a person with reflex guard can react to it all.
So shove into GB won't work unless you read that he does an empty dodge.

Either you're fighting people who are great at reading you or you yourself are playing too predictably.

Dude, you make no sense bringing up my skill, it isn't the topic - I was just merely pointing out it is POSSIBLE to guard break his side dodge attack, and you cant do that to other side dodge attackers, cuz you will just bounce off them. I'm well aware it is a mistake to use that move when i shouldn't - why are you even saying such silly things? I'm just pointing out his weaknesses that aren't there for other characters. Stop strawman fallacy pls.

Considering this is second time, I guess I will not even attempt to correct your reasoning flaws, and I'll just say, nah, you are wrong. It's easy to counter shaolin. IF you are having problems with his Qi stance and Kicks, it just your reaction/skill problem, git gut(uuu, i did strawman falacy too, hf).

[Buggy.Blaster]

he just has too much stuff.. not sure where to begin. he's just incredibly better than the old crew. same with the JJ guy. he's pretty broken. and i know it won't get fixed so whatever. playing other games now. rip.

[Siegfried-Z]

400ms light from the top is a neutral attack (his in combo lights are also 400ms from any direction). Pk's zone is also a 400ms neutral attack. People don't react to her zone. they rest their guard there. Same with shaolin. If someone manages to parry/block it consistently it's a read. bashes from neutral are always their intended speed and his kick is considered to be from neutral. Meaning it's actually slightly faster than 500ms. Because Shaolin can enter qi in 200ms and let an attack fly immediately you cannot react to the kick.
Perhaps I should clarify since people seem to not understand.

If Shaolin uses his kick immediately after entering qi stance every time he enters qi stance and you dodge it you've read what he's doing. You're not reacting to the kick.
Now if Shaolin uses his kick 3 times in an entire fight and each time he uses the kick he's done it after a different mix up and you manage to dodge that kick once you didn't react to the kick nor did you read him. You got lucky.

To put it another way mob mentality is a thing. So you will see a lot of players use a specific hero the same way. So even if you fight someone you've not fought before but they use that bog standard way to play him you're still just reading him if you dodge his kick. As it's an established pattern you're used to.

Reacting to something means it can be thrown at any time in any combo or feint mix up and you can reliably block/dodge/whatever. 500ms lights are reactable. This is because you can see any decent player at the game consistently block them regardless of how they're being used. Where as 400ms lights are not reactable. because not even the best players in the game can consistently block/punish them.

Agree on this.

I would just say sometimes you can react to the Kick. I did it many times already.. just as conq SB from neutral, not often but it happen. But yes most of times it is because of opponents patterns. That's for the same reason you can sometimes parry 400ms zerk light feint etc.

We just doesn't understand each others last time about roch discussion. I agree with what you're saying here about 400ms lights, it's hard to react to, even more on console.