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    I feel for Shugoki players

    Fighting against him I used to always think he was fine. This last week or so however I have been putting some time into the Shug (messing around while I wait for JJ and Nuxia) and boy... oh boy....

    It's a surprise to probably no one but the big man is straight up broken. Not just badly designed or in poor shape by comparison. He's broken! His HA doesn't even work as intended. I've had several incidents where I went to use the HA to my advantage and it was pre-stripped away via magic.. I guess.. and the enemy got to hurt me instead. Then I've had my fully charged side Heavy unblockable do pitiful damage, 12-17, on multiple occasions. For whatever reason it just hits for a chip, which is not a thing in this game (outside of blocking, which this was not, because it is an unblockable and I walloped the targets in question).

    This hero needs more than a rework or buff, he needs downright to be repaired.
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    EvoX.'s Avatar Senior Member
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    The Big Man needs a serious overhaul, he's probably the worst duelist in the game. Only thing keeping him afloat is his okay-ish state in Dominion.

    If not for anything else, I want to see how happy GayForShugoki will be.
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    The sad thing is he's been in a dire garbage state for many months. For the LIFE of me I don't understand how the balance team doesn't just (even temporarily) buff some minor stat to ease the suffering. He DOES need a complete rework and overhaul because, well, just look at his move list. He has so few options it's unbelievable and his attacks are very slow. The damage on it is also very low unless you get a charged heavy for 60 damage which should never happen because that attack takes 3 seconds and is one of the easiest to parry in the game. Also in the time you charge up, the enemy can just walk away. The state of shugoki has made me salty at FH when characters like berserker(who ALSO have hyper armor and unblockables) get so much freedom. Losing your HA to something like a failed gb from an enemy is flat out disgusting. Demons embrace,has a 3 second animation startup, and a 3 second animation finish. Missing it drains over 50% your health though. I wish warden's shoulder bash drained health when it missed. Shugoki has all these "mechanics" that only affect him--and they all suck major ****. If players feel like they NEED to pick the OP heroes instead of the ones they want to play, then the balance team is really out of sync with the game. I'm not saying he needs to be top tier but he's really a misery to play right now. He's a "heavy" that has the health pool of an "assassin", the attack speed of a "heavy," the damage of an "assassin," the recovery time after attack of a "heavy," the mobility and no dodge attacks of a "heavy." It can't be anymore of a handicap.
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    After getting him close to Rep 1 I kinda think he should always have HA. No joke, always, unless he perhaps gets hit for a certain damage threshold within a certain time.
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    Originally Posted by HazelrahFirefly Go to original post
    After getting him close to Rep 1 I kinda think he should always have HA. No joke, always, unless he perhaps gets hit for a certain damage threshold within a certain time.
    Overkill. No one should have passive armor. It allows for really stupid things to happen. The only place goki needs armor is his charge heavies. Which i'm fine with.
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    I thought the rework was already confirmed? I don't even care anymore as to how long it takes until it arrives, i was just very glad when i heard it's finally coming
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    Originally Posted by kristopee Go to original post
    I thought the rework was already confirmed? I don't even care anymore as to how long it takes until it arrives, i was just very glad when i heard it's finally coming
    I haven't read the patchnotes yet, but what's confirmed as far as I've read is that the devs have acknowledged that he needs looking at..... .....
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    Originally Posted by HazelrahFirefly Go to original post
    I haven't read the patchnotes yet, but what's confirmed as far as I've read is that the devs have acknowledged that he needs looking at..... .....
    Oh no i don't think it's coming in Marching Fire and i haven't seen anyone quote the devs about it but at the very least my youtube feed is full of videos where people talk about ut being confirmed to be on it's way.
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    The fight team is looking at Shugoki. Is there anything you think they should look at in particular?
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