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[iAGA_Jeshi]

Not weighing in on the rest of it but you're wrong there. 1v1 takes the top 2.5%, 4v4 takes the top 4%. The chart shows the heroes in the hands of people at the highest and roughly of equal skill level.

Still doesnt matter though. But thanks.

[iAGA_Jeshi]

This guy is just lost in his wrong believings and prefer saying stats and experiments players feedbacks are just wrong after 37rep in the game... 😒😒

Look buddy. You tell me how the buffs I put up would bother 4v4. Clearly you havent read everything. Pointing the way to blind people is hard work. His zone will still he his stronger tool with or without the buff so you mentioning 4v4 is literally pointless. Jeeezz its like talking to a wall mr 180 reps and still doesnt see the point.

[iAGA_Jeshi]

Lol so I’m in the top 1% of players on Xbox globally, yet I don’t know what I’m talking about and it’s my fault the game isn’t progressing. Thanks for making me laugh this morning.

In 1v1, yes Raider is lacking. I could get behind 500ms lights for him. But in 4v4 he is a must pick for any team that wants to be sweaty. One stampede charge, with one enemy around = dead.

Whiff stunning tap, unlock the zone to a different target, deal 50+ or more damage in revenge = beast mode.

I have 180 reps, but please, tell me more about how I know nothing and ruin this game. Your posts seem more like the biased, mindless raving of someone who is in the deep end.

You don’t seem to get it smart guy. The buffs proposed isn’t changing anything. Raider is always going to use the zone and tap for the 70 dmg regardless of the buff or not. Your problems have nothing to do what I’m talking about. You guys are just mad I pointed you out to be idiots. IM NOT A RADIER MAIN I DONT GIVE A SINGLE **** IF HE GETS BUFFED OR NOT. It’s a suggestion to those who understand he is garbage in 1v1. So what he is strong in 4v4 the only thing that makes him strong 4v4 is his stampede and zone neither of which are being touched. So regardless you’re getting the same problem. You smart guys are talking out of your ***. But nice work for literally nothing.



It’s not about if you think he is a good hero or not.
Raider is a limited hero. That simple. Regardless of what you think he is butt in duel. No one cares about 4v4 the buffs I mentioned won’t even disrupt 4v4.


#Balance

[iAGA_Jeshi]

Buff Ideas for every underwhelming hero, except aramusha and Goki
Buff ideas /Something I typed in response
To the devs blog.

Please pay attention to whenever I say “maybe”.
Please feel free to debate the things I’ve typed down below.
Please have an open mind and think of how these buffs/nerfs would translate to the game etc.

Feint****

Well I’m going to give a list of everyone who needs a look into and my small suggestions as to how they should be buffed.

I’ve played a lot of this game and I hope that Ubisoft can agree with the things I will mention.

Raider needs a lot more chains(Light into heavy etc) and faster lights(500ms). Maybe hyper armor on his heavies(The first heavy in the chain),faster heavy startup, less stamina consumption. Zone dmg reduction to 35

Warlord also needs more chains and a solid all guard stance that guarantees punishes. Maybe even an unblockable.

Peacekeeper needs a small damage buff and less stamina consumption or at least faster stamina recovery. Her guardbreak should guarantee her a heavy(one that does 25-27 damage)from any direction that she can’t follow up into a bleed stab.
Maybe an unblockable similar to gladiators toe stab.(stabs chest with dagger quickly, 8 damage)

Lawbringer needs a lot more chains, faster lights(500ms), faster chains, Maybe even hyper armor on some heavies,Less stamina consumption,an reliable opener and maybe a change to shove on block. Maybe give him a proper bash.

Nobushi needs more chains, faster lights(NOT 400ms), less stamina consumption.

Centurion needs an opener, maybe a chargeable kick similar to warden shoulder bash, cancelable zone attack.

Shinobi needs more options, more chains, an unblockable maybe, cancelable zone attack.

Aramusha I’m not to sure what to do with. He is basically a weaker bezerker at this point. He definitely needs some changes however because he is among of the weakest in the cast.

Shugoki NEEDS A REWORK.

The rest of the cast is fine in all honesty. If I were to change things to any of the characters not mentioned it would be....

Orochi should get an unblockable similar to gladiator. Better guard break throw.

Shamans bite damage reduction to 40 but increased healing. Maybe more chains.

Conq bash being punishable like wardens shoulder bash.

Warden more chains, can’t faint shoulder bash after you are already into the bash itself.
Meaning once he starts moving forward he can’t faint it.

Highlander faster normal lights, more punishable caber toss.

Valkyrie should get more damage on her guardbreak and first in chain heavies.(25-27)

Here’s a tier list as well in my opinion.

A tier: Orochi,Shaman,Valkyrie, Highlander, Shinobi.

B tier: Centerion, Nobushi, Warlord, Peacekeeper.

C tier: Raider, Aramusha, Lawbringer.

D tier: Shugoki.

S tier: Warden, Conqueror, Kensei, Gladiator, Berzerker.

The heroes in S tier that I think need nerfs are....

Wardens charged shoulder bash faint(If he starts the bash, as In him already doing the bash, like moving forward) this shouldn’t be a thing. Keep his bash the same just don’t allow him to faint while he already started the bash.

Conquerors Sheild bash needs to be more vulnerable.


This is my opinion and most of the communities as well(In terms with which heroes need some adjusting). Plenty of videos on why these characters needs nerfs and buffs. Sorry if I restated anything. I’m just going off all of my experiences in game and all the communities feedback.

The data showed in the graphs were pretty inaccurate. The players of the game know what’s best. Especially the really dedicated ones who understand the games mechanics.

Ubisoft please take this into consideration and make your community happy.

#Balance.

[ChampionRuby50g]

You just lost the little credibility you had when you said “Buffs proposed doesn’t change anything”.

That’s the whole point of buffing a class isn’t it, to change them and make them better? lol you go on about everyone’s reading, but don’t stop to take a second and think about what you are saying. Saying buffs won’t effect 4v4 is the epitome of idiocy. You give him those tools for 1v1 without thinking about how they’ll effect the other game modes, it’s a recipe for a broken hero. You’ve had multiple people tell you that you’re wrong, but you can’t read either it seems.

Raider doesn’t need hyper armor, there’s already too much of it in the game. Already said 500ms lights would be fine. To reach a compromise, if he gets the buffs you want him to, he needs to be nerfed in other areas such as the stampede charge. Make it so any attack makes raider drop the enemy, drains less stamina.

[iAGA_Jeshi]

You just lost the little credibility you had when you said “Buffs proposed doesn’t change anything”.

That’s the whole point of buffing a class isn’t it, to change them and make them better? lol you go on about everyone’s reading, but don’t stop to take a second and think about what you are saying. Saying buffs won’t effect 4v4 is the epitome of idiocy. You give him those tools for 1v1 without thinking about how they’ll effect the other game modes, it’s a recipe for a broken hero. You’ve had multiple people tell you that you’re wrong, but you can’t read either it seems.

Raider doesn’t need hyper armor, there’s already too much of it in the game. Already said 500ms lights would be fine. To reach a compromise, if he gets the buffs you want him to, he needs to be nerfed in other areas such as the stampede charge. Make it so any attack makes raider drop the enemy, drains less stamina.

Let me spell it out for you because you're illiterate
I said the buffs I proposed for raider wouldnt make him broken. You idiots said he would be broken in 4v4 based on him using his zone and stampede in combination with the buffs I proposed. He is strong in 4v4 with revenge and zone with stampede. The buffs I mentioned wouldn't really come into play in 4v4 LIKE I SAID COUNTLESS TIMES- WITH OR WITHOUT THE BUFFS HE WOULD STILL ONLY HAVE THE ZONE FOR GANKS. The only time he could use anything else is when he is in revenge so i doesnt matter if his light is faster or if he has armor on the heavy because revenge gives you armor. Just because three of you brought up the same inncorrect point doesnt mean you are correct. You are all wrong. Not one of you can give a single instance on how the buffs I have suggested would make him broken in 4v4. Raider isnt even that important. There are literally 17 other heroes being talked about.


AGAIN. GIVE EVIDENCE FOR YOUR CLAIM INSTEAD OF A SIMPLE HE SAID SHE SAID.

I have considered the other game modes and if you can read certainly you can see that with and without the buffs raiders strongest tools are still Zone and stampede. The buffs dont make that better or worse.

Learn to read.

[Charmzzz]

Let me spell it out for you because you're illiterate
I said the buffs I proposed for raider wouldnt make him broken. You idiots said he would be broken in 4v4 based on him using his zone and stampede in combination with the buffs I proposed. He is strong in 4v4 with revenge and zone with stampede. The buffs I mentioned wouldn't really come into play in 4v4 LIKE I SAID COUNTLESS TIMES- WITH OR WITHOUT THE BUFFS HE WOULD STILL ONLY HAVE THE ZONE FOR GANKS. The only time he could use anything else is when he is in revenge so i doesnt matter if his light is faster or if he has armor on the heavy because revenge gives you armor. Just because three of you brought up the same inncorrect point doesnt mean you are correct. You are all wrong. Not one of you can give a single instance on how the buffs I have suggested would make him broken in 4v4. Raider isnt even that important. There are literally 17 other heroes being talked about.


AGAIN. GIVE EVIDENCE FOR YOUR CLAIM INSTEAD OF A SIMPLE HE SAID SHE SAID.

I have considered the other game modes and if you can read certainly you can see that with and without the buffs raiders strongest tools are still Zone and stampede. The buffs dont make that better or worse.

Learn to read.

Uhm, the evidence is right in the Stats: Winrate 53% (No. 3) and Pickrate 10.5% (No. 1) for Dominion. You want to buff an extremely highly picked and absolute Meta Hero even more? This is ridiculous... Doesn't matter if your suggested buffs would not change anything about Stampede or Zone, fact is he is THE MOST PICKED Hero in high level Dominion games, and the reason for that is that his tools are already fcking great. Buff him more so he will be unstoppable, be it 1v1 or 4v4? Nah Bro, having such good ganking and group fighting tools HAS to have a backdraw (still, Kensei, but whatever, the Devs have no idea I guess...).

[Siegfried-Z]

Still doesnt matter though. But thanks.

You're insane ^^ So just there we show you you are the one spreading wrong statements all arround and with facts below your eyes and then just answer : "still doesn't matter"

Look buddy. You tell me how the buffs I put up would bother 4v4. Clearly you havent read everything. Pointing the way to blind people is hard work. His zone will still he his stronger tool with or without the buff so you mentioning 4v4 is literally pointless. Jeeezz its like talking to a wall mr 180 reps and still doesnt see the point.

The problem is, i understand you're speaking for 1v1. BUT, what i say is it would makes him stronger in 4v4.. that's just logic man. And Raider is crazy good in 4v4... he is not oblige to be as much in 1v1 too. That's all. Ok you're speaking 1v1 and us 4v4 but why ? because he is very strong in 4v4 and don't want him to become an unstopable truck.

And btw the rep 180 is Champion, i'm rep 123.

Let me spell it out for you because you're illiterate
I said the buffs I proposed for raider wouldnt make him broken. You idiots said he would be broken in 4v4 based on him using his zone and stampede in combination with the buffs I proposed. He is strong in 4v4 with revenge and zone with stampede. The buffs I mentioned wouldn't really come into play in 4v4 LIKE I SAID COUNTLESS TIMES- WITH OR WITHOUT THE BUFFS HE WOULD STILL ONLY HAVE THE ZONE FOR GANKS. The only time he could use anything else is when he is in revenge so i doesnt matter if his light is faster or if he has armor on the heavy because revenge gives you armor. Just because three of you brought up the same inncorrect point doesnt mean you are correct. You are all wrong. Not one of you can give a single instance on how the buffs I have suggested would make him broken in 4v4. Raider isnt even that important. There are literally 17 other heroes being talked about.


AGAIN. GIVE EVIDENCE FOR YOUR CLAIM INSTEAD OF A SIMPLE HE SAID SHE SAID.

I have considered the other game modes and if you can read certainly you can see that with and without the buffs raiders strongest tools are still Zone and stampede. The buffs dont make that better or worse.

Learn to read.

You're sauing nonsense as hell... your words are, anyway he still gonna have zone and stampede in 4V4 so my buff proposal wouldn't makes him stronger in 4V4... but man, it is like saying my car already has 300ch so if i boost it to 400ch it doesn't change anything my car is just powerfull anyway.. do you realize ?

Of course Faster lights, better stam and chain + HA would makes him stronger cmbined with stampede and zone .. that's a logic consequence as 2 + 2 + 4.... Or you've read 1984 of George Orwell too much and are sure it is equal to 5

The discussion became trash because you directly answer to me very agressive and with insults after my first comments were nothing was agressive... as you said "feel free to debate with me" i though you were more open minded oriented.

But, for someone who don't give a **** about raider, why are you so trash and blind while people which are known for giving overall accurate and constructive feedbacks on this forum says to you you're wrong.. you just insults everyone.. you says you spend lot of time to the game but you're a rep37 man... Even candle has comment which is rare here other than Den recap so you should take a breath, read your own comments and get back trying to give normal answer.

[iAGA_Jeshi]

Ive literally reviewed this with a bunch of people.
Youre telling me that a starting 500ms starting light , Hyper Armor on starting heavy, and a few chains would make raider broken in 4v4.

You three are saying he is already strong in 4v4 so the buffs would just make him better in 4v4. Yes it will but its not changing the fact that with or without the buff his strongest tool will remain being his zone and charge. You guys dont understand what that means.

In a gank what does raider do?
Zone and stampede right? What raider would instead use a 500ms light, or a heavy with hyper armor. Does that make any sense to you? No it doesn't.

(Incase you still don’t get it. It means regardless of buffs the best thing he can do would be the zone and stampede)

If this doesn't help you understand I don't know what will.

You guys are saying something would be strong without translating it to the game.

P.S You three are actually dumb....... lol

P.S.S Sorry if I came off to be rude. I get really pationate about this game. I dont think you guys are dumb. And for my 37 reps I know and understand how to play the game and I know how to play everyone on the cast.

P.S.S.S But yeah again sorry If Ive gotten you angry.

[Siegfried-Z]

Ive literally reviewed this with a bunch of people.
Youre telling me that a starting 500ms starting light , Hyper Armor on starting heavy, and a few chains would make raider broken in 4v4.

You three are saying he is already strong in 4v4 so the buffs would just make him better in 4v4. Yes it will but its not changing the fact that with or without the buff his strongest tool will remain being his zone and charge. You guys dont understand what that means.

In a gank what does raider do?
Zone and stampede right? What raider would instead use a 500ms light, or a heavy with hyper armor. Does that make any sense to you? No it doesn't.

(Incase you still don’t get it. It means regardless of buffs the best thing he can do would be the zone and stampede)

If this doesn't help you understand I don't know what will.

You guys are saying something would be strong without translating it to the game.

P.S You three are actually dumb....... lol

P.S.S Sorry if I came off to be rude. I get really pationate about this game. I dont think you guys are dumb. And for my 37 reps I know and understand how to play the game and I know how to play everyone on the cast.

P.S.S.S But yeah again sorry If Ive gotten you angry.

The fact is we actually hear you, and understand what you're saying, that's not the point anymore.

But do you really believe he's not gonna use his HA etc if he get it because he has others tools ? It is like saying because Warden now has an UB, he would not use his SB anymore in Gank.. well no, he use both..; and HA + few new chains are a good thing in anti gank situation.. so it would help him even in Gank.

Of course it is not a massive buff.. but it is one and as i already said.. if he get that (because why not) then in another hand his zone dmg should be nerf. That's my point nothing more.

If he didn't receive any nerf, the only thing he should have to help him in 1v1 is opening lights at 500ms, nothing more.

And again, stop finishing your comment with words as dumb or idiots because you're the one looking like that by always insulting others. I know you can do it, your last comment was almost correct till your PS points lol