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  1. #31
    Originally Posted by Zimbo78 Go to original post
    1.4 was one of the best patches and fixing this bug is also good but some people here say the game is in a bad state because of Marco and that I don't understand.
    Originally Posted by RushLoongHammer Go to original post
    Yea, I don't get it either.
    I lost a good amount of passion for the game around that time. The DLC was vastly disappointing, and Massive was making the game way too easy and less interesting. Blue prints, crafting in general and unique DZ items were falling to the wayside. I am not saying there was nothing good. I do think 1000 rounds to kill a guy is excessive, but like skill or weapon nerfs they try to fix the problem with 20 "fixes" at the same time that just resulted in a watery experience.

    Originally Posted by moesuvious Go to original post
    The reason ive never liked Marco and his kind are because they make zombies out of playerbases. Failed a mission once, straight to youtube they go, got killed by someone in PVP, straight to youtube they go. Then within a week 75% of the playerbase are all running the same thing.
    This exactly. I hate that I am a good player, who's biggest talent is the ability to craft awesome builds. By them doing what they do it allows people with out that skill to be better than they should be. Which to me is equal to cheaters, hackers, glitchers, and mod users. They lack the skill to play plain and simple and need to find the way to make themselves better without effort. Youtubers are the cronusmax equivalent of the best aspect of this game and it disgusts me..... maybe i should just rock a cronus to make it even.....
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    Originally Posted by moesuvious Go to original post
    The reason ive never liked Marco and his kind are because they make zombies out of playerbases. Failed a mission once, straight to youtube they go, got killed by someone in PVP, straight to youtube they go. Then within a week 75% of the playerbase are all running the same thing.
    I think there are 2 parts to the 'zombies/sheep/copy' players
    First, players either don't know (new players, no ingame tutorials) or don't care to learn the game (mostly casual players, just want to play).
    Second reason is that the game always has strong metas so only a few builds are good at any time. This is the fault of who ever balances the sets.

    Youtubers, the popular ones, I don't think are a root cause for players not making their own builds.
    I think the root cause is the game's loot distribution and how balance has been handled.
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    Originally Posted by RushLoongHammer Go to original post
    I think there are 2 parts to the 'zombies/sheep/copy' players
    First, players either don't know (new players, no ingame tutorials) or don't care to learn the game (mostly casual players, just want to play).
    Second reason is that the game always has strong metas so only a few builds are good at any time. This is the fault of who ever balances the sets.

    Youtubers, the popular ones, I don't think are a root cause for players not making their own builds.
    I think the root cause is the game's loot distribution and how balance has been handled.
    I dont disagree with what you are saying. Youtube or not some people will always search for the path of least resistance. While the game and most games always have a strong meta, i think that without youtube, the Metas would take weeks-months to spread instead of within two days of something being released there is a full video of how to have the best build with the smallest amount of effort to achieve said build. In the end though it def lies on the players, all i can say to the youtube fanatics is im 95% sure they would enjoy almost every game they ever play ten times as much if they quit relying on youtube to do the hard part for them.
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    Originally Posted by moesuvious Go to original post
    I dont disagree with what you are saying. Youtube or not some people will always search for the path of least resistance. While the game and most games always have a strong meta, i think that without youtube, the Metas would take weeks-months to spread instead of within two days of something being released there is a full video of how to have the best build with the smallest amount of effort to achieve said build. In the end though it def lies on the players, all i can say to the youtube fanatics is im 95% sure they would enjoy almost every game they ever play ten times as much if they quit relying on youtube to do the hard part for them.
    I definitely agree that Youtubers speed up the playerbase running meta builds.
    I agree it'd be nice if it took longer than a few days before metas settle out.

    I don't blame Youtubers for people listening or copying their builds though.
    That's on the player's themselves and who ever balances the game.
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    lol he is actually transitioning himself on ps4 now, he is getting levelled up by the help of theseus badger , peep it right here live


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    The reason he, and a lot others have left, is because this game is made casual friendly.

    It doesn't really matter how good you are. Face 12 Nomad players that invested ~100 hours in the game, and you will die. That's a great experience for that nomad player, but for someone that has drained his healthbar 3 times and still didn't down him, it's a whole lot less fun.
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    Originally Posted by MutantCowboy x Go to original post
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    This exactly. I hate that I am a good player, who's biggest talent is the ability to craft awesome builds. By them doing what they do it allows people with out that skill to be better than they should be. Which to me is equal to cheaters, hackers, glitchers, and mod users. They lack the skill to play plain and simple and need to find the way to make themselves better without effort. Youtubers are the cronusmax equivalent of the best aspect of this game and it disgusts me..... maybe i should just rock a cronus to make it even.....
    Its a fair point but I dont necessarily see it like that 100%. Afterall players still need to be able to play the way the gearset is designed. If they are competent in the least they will adopt the playstyle they will need to play a certain way. And that leads me to the point I wanted to make - these so called self-styled players with skill - cant seem to adapt to anything else! They adopt the what they need to to play a certain way and only the way the youtuber plays it but cant seem to adapt to another gearset playstyle. Or at least be successful at it. Real skill comes from being able to play many gearsets and adopt many playstyles instead of just the 'meta.' Well in book at least.
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    Originally Posted by SevenNVD Go to original post
    The reason he, and a lot others have left, is because this game is made casual friendly.

    It doesn't really matter how good you are. Face 12 Nomad players that invested ~100 hours in the game, and you will die. That's a great experience for that nomad player, but for someone that has drained his healthbar 3 times and still didn't down him, it's a whole lot less fun.
    So playing as a pred against 12 strikers is somehow different? Hmm......

    While I dont think Striker is in the place it needs to be I think it says alot that they go from one specific gearset to another. Everyone gone to Nomad? Or is it D3? What about using banshee or alpha against the nomads? Would that make a difference? Or would it just be like how striker was pre-last update? The thing is I would like to see Striker have a small change to its initial stacking rate. Maybe return it to 2stacks/hit until it reaches 50% so it has some survivability. Otherwise maybe Nomad looks like it need another reverse tweak.
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    Originally Posted by agentCoats Go to original post
    So playing as a pred against 12 strikers is somehow different? Hmm......

    No it's not. The striker nerf was a welcomed one, the "casualisation" of the game started way before that. I don't know exactly when, honestly.

    Maybe it was 1.4, maybe it was classifieds, or rogue 2.0 or maybe a combination of these.

    I am a semi casual player too, when it comes to PvP in this game, for me, it's a great patch. I can equip nomad, predator, banshee or a ninjabike set, and get myself some kills. It doesn't matter if my oponent has played 100 hours, or 4000 hours the outcome is the same.

    For a very skilled player, that's not so enjoyable, and I can understand that.
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    The thoughts around the game helping the casual players in pvp is kind of true. Rogue 2.0 and pre designed classified gearsets do allow the casual players or just a bad pvp players to compete with the guys with tons of pvp experience and tactics, but i dont need marco to tell me this, i couldnt give a damn about him or his videos, no single player should have such influence on the game. Youtubers posting builds and giving advice (often leading to unwanted metas and no build diversity) are part of the games downfall in pvp.
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