HK416 vs LVOA-C | Forums

[Bone_Frog]

Can anyone explain to me what's special about the LVOA-C? Apart from the obvious aesthetics? The HK-416 for example is a piston gun designed with Special ops in mind....what role does the LVOA fill? It seems like another fancy AR variant.

Honest answer... It's heavy... really heavy.
LVOA(Low Visability Opearations Applications) by now out of business War Sports Industries was a $3000 basic AR that had serious reliability issues as well as weighing as much empty as loaded M-249. Most of its features were what is known as "tacti-cool", meant to look good but frankly useless, like the bungy laced through its super extended rails. Super extended rails that the manufacturer said would not support multiple attachments without degrading the performance of the rifle.

The owner of War Sport used to make twitter videos from his garage with his Lambo and Ferrari parked noticeably behind him about how he was making the bestest AR ever. Unfortunately a lot of the receivers weren't well machined and would typically need a lot of love from a good gunsmith before they would fire reliably without feed issues. Now if you are on the range or doing some tacti-cool course on room clearing or something feed issues are annoying(at best) and the class will come to hate you for killing their fun(at worst). Feed issues in combat... yeah those are not something you want, ever. Especially when you are lugging a overly heavy rifle. If I'm going to lug that kind of weight I want a SOCOM 458...

The primary reason I think LVOA makes such a splash in these games is because War Sports initially paid for product placement, and the look became popular. Now that War Sports is defunct I'm hoping that this will be its last incarnation.

[Ghost-Ami]

Honest answer... It's heavy... really heavy.
LVOA(Low Visability Opearations Applications) by now out of business War Sports Industries was a $3000 basic AR that had serious reliability issues as well as weighing as much empty as loaded M-249. Most of its features were what is known as "tacti-cool", meant to look good but frankly useless, like the bungy laced through its super extended rails. Super extended rails that the manufacturer said would not support multiple attachments without degrading the performance of the rifle.

The owner of War Sport used to make twitter videos from his garage with his Lambo and Ferrari parked noticeably behind him about how he was making the bestest AR ever. Unfortunately a lot of the receivers weren't well machined and would typically need a lot of love from a good gunsmith before they would fire reliably without feed issues. Now if you are on the range or doing some tacti-cool course on room clearing or something feed issues are annoying(at best) and the class will come to hate you for killing their fun(at worst). Feed issues in combat... yeah those are not something you want, ever. Especially when you are lugging a overly heavy rifle. If I'm going to lug that kind of weight I want a SOCOM 458...

The primary reason I think LVOA makes such a splash in these games is because War Sports initially paid for product placement, and the look became popular. Now that War Sports is defunct I'm hoping that this will be its last incarnation.

I don't even like AR15s, but I still feel that, for fairness' sake, it should be noted that these reliability issues are basically just anecdotal. Not saying War Sport weren't guilty of some sketchy business practices and media hype, but I'm not aware of any study that says these rifles are systematically trash, just a few extremely unhappy users with bad experiences you're bound to get with any weapon. And, as with any customer service issue, dissatisfied customers are disproportionately good at making their presence felt. So really it's hard to know for sure.

That being said if I were going to buy an AR platform and wanted a similar look with a long barrel and extended shroud/rails and lower profile I'd probably go for a Daniel Defence DDM4 instead. Again you'll have unhappy users with any weapon you name, but that one is more or less above suspicion by comparison.

[Ironmatter]

Game-wise the 416 configured with the short barrel vs the LVOA-C does the same damage. Obviously, when you fit the standard or long barrels the 416 ups the damage where the LVOA-C cannot. They've made the LVOA-C quieter however...

I prefer the 416 in game for the amount of modifications you can apply. In Ghost Mode it is quickly becoming my go-to weapon.

[shobhit7777777]

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Thanks for the overview. Doesn't sound like a Rifle I'd carry for my role playing save game. Shame....because with a suppressor on it looked tacti-cool AF

That being said if I were going to buy an AR platform and wanted a similar look with a long barrel and extended shroud/rails and lower profile I'd probably go for a Daniel Defence DDM4 instead. Again you'll have unhappy users with any weapon you name, but that one is more or less above suspicion by comparison.

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A DD Mk 18 or a full length AR would be perfect IMO. It would feel in-place.

Also...is the Remington R5 RGP comparable to the 416s? I ask because I like to carry weapons which have a good rep in real life as well as one which make sense for the Ghosts to carry in a low profile role. The R5 checks the latter box...dunno about the first one.

[Ghost-Ami]

Also...is the Remington R5 RGP comparable to the 416s? I ask because I like to carry weapons which have a good rep in real life as well as one which make sense for the Ghosts to carry in a low profile role. The R5 checks the latter box...dunno about the first one.

Remington? A good rep? Kek. XD

I'm basically the same though, I use weapons in game that I'd use in the physical world regardless of how the game treats them performancewise. Fortunately in the end no GRW weapon is that much better or worse than any other.

Also fortunately I think they get more stats right than wrong, at least on the weapons I like.

Still scratching my head about how the 9x19 EVO3 outranges all other "SMGs" including PDWs like the the Knight's 6x35 though. Not sure what Ubi were thinking with that one.

[bnucci23]

I like the 416 in the game. The LVAO-C in the new pack has crap stats and a magazine glitch.

They should remove it and replace with a mid-length AR like the new SOCOM URGI they just adopted. Something with better damage, range, etc

[Ghost-Ami]

I like the 416 in the game. The LVAO-C in the new pack has crap stats and a magazine glitch.

They should remove it and replace with a mid-length AR like the new SOCOM URGI they just adopted. Something with better damage, range, etc

The DDM4 should fit the bill.

An MLOK shroud maybe doesn't look quite as tacticool as War Sport's proprietary one, but the weapon has a much better reputation as I mentioned.

10/10 Matt Gravers can't be wrong! XD

EDIT: Maybe they are saving the DDM4 for the Sicario crossover I recommended for "SO4"! Hey, let me dream.

[Blkandwhtknight]

Lets keep this simple.

The Division LVOA-C = Garbage

Bad News LVOA-C = OP

Relentless fighter LVOA-C = Copy of the Division LVOA-C that you can change mods (minus long barrel)

[Virtual-Chris]

Lets keep this simple.

The Division LVOA-C = Garbage

Bad News LVOA-C = OP

Relentless fighter LVOA-C = Copy of the Division LVOA-C that you can change mods (minus long barrel)

Have you confirmed that the Relentless version is garbage, or it’s a guess?

[TemporalSoldier]

I can say that the Relentless LVOA-C took two full 30-rd mags to destroy a parked rescue chopper (the Black Hawk one). That's pretty pitiful on the damage scale.