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[Sweaty_Sock]

You still can HS first light and dodge second right after. But next you will have to deal with aramusha spam like usual. I mean any other hero also have problems with dodging combos of lights. And HS is just a dodge move with better option select from it.

Hidden stance is a reactionary punish not a get out of jail free card, it'll mess up tracking attacks & GB but against a spam use your blocks.

[yfkutfui]

The Nobushi, well I mained her up to rep 26 then packed her in, she is completely unforgiving that's true but I would not categorize her as the worst character on the roster, she's suited to a particular patient style, if your an attacking minded individual the Nobushi is not for you.

[voiddp]

Wait for the gear rework...another Nerf for Nobushi... when all the stamina regeneration and cost reduction is gone.

You can call her passiv 'under sharks' then

Lol you mean gear rework when debuff resistance is gone and nobushi gets buff by this? )))

[GibeMeToes]

Forgive the bit of necroing here, but I thought I'd give my two cents as a brand new player who mains Nobushi:

Nobushi is flat out garbage. I don't mean in terms of strength, I mean as a character. Her kit is boring at best and illogical at worst. She uses a spear, yet has little in the way of unblockables. Valkyrie is what I consider to be an example of an interesting kit in the hybrid class. She has several guard break options, a daze, a bleed and extremely fast lights and dodge attacks.

Nobushi. Has. None. Of. This. WHY!?
1) Her dodge attacks, as said by other members already, the WORST in the game. As an evasive fighter. WHY!?
2) Her ONLY unblockable is a KICK. Yes, you heard me, a KICK. She STOPS using one of the strongest weapons ever invented on the field of battle and KICKS someone. It sends them REELING. Cool. Does it drain stamina? No. Is it the longest knockback in the game? No! Does it do damage!? NO! WHY WOULD IT?
3) Her damage is laughable when compared to the heaviest hitters in For Honor.
4) Her range is garbage and her skillset doesn't move her forward or have ANY chase potential. I can MASH dash heavy as peace keeper and NO CLASS IN THE GAME can run from me. Nobushi, with the second lightest armor in the game, is the slowest moving character and least evasive. NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE.
Her mix-up game is trash. Her attacks are slow and most of her moves have to be canceled STUPID early into the animation, sometimes so fast I don't have time to hit the attack key and cancel in time.
5) Finally, and most importantly, her kit is tiny, restrictive and horribly designed. Remove Hidden Stance.

How to fix this mess of game design? Simple:
1) Remove Hidden Stance. Entirely. This "Defensive" option does nothing but hamper design space. Winning with it feels like a coin flip and losing to it just feels stupid. The less i-frames that exist in a "Skill-Based Game", the better.
2) Her attacks need to be on par with the fastest characters in the game. A spear's strength lies in the speed and accuracy of the attacks, knocking an enemy off guard before going in for a brutal, careful blow. *COUGH GIVE HER A SLOW, HIGH DAMAGE GUARD BREAK COUGH*
3) Give her multiple new guard breaks. As a zoner, the lack of mix-up options and ways to break turtles leaves her HELPLESS to the strongest classes in the game right now.
4) Drastically increase her dodge distances. If anyone should hold the title of "Master Dodger" it should be the LONG RANGED SPEAR CLASS.

[GibeMeToes]

Forgot to add, but...

As a Nobushi player, the sheer amount of spam other classes can dish out (All with superior tracking, massive ranges and unblockables built into the mash combos), she just feels bad to play by comparison. I can mash buttons on Warden, Kensei and Raider and get kills I don't deserve on players much better than me. Kensei, for example, feels like he owns a pair of anime-powered rocket boots as he slides several meters forward to hit his targets. In full armor. ??? Why is that a thing? Nobushi's kit is either too weak or you need to drastically nerf the rest of the cast's mobility. If you want her to be a zoner, you need to have other classes actually work for their attacks. You can't just fix every problem by having a character GLIDE forward when they hit an attack key. It feels unrealistic and stupid.

[kanuzira]

I see a whole tread about how bad nobu is and how she should get attention from the devs and here i am with LB since the beginning of the game with no real changes made to him. Feelsbad man

[Zhantay]

I see a whole tread about how bad nobu is and how she should get attention from the devs and here i am with LB since the beginning of the game with no real changes made to him. Feelsbad man

You can still beat people by Block-Shoving them to death and parrying for a free Unblockable Heavy. And in 4v4 be an absolute nuisance and carrying them 20ft, flip them over your head, or throw 3 bombs at them. Not sure how it is on PC but Lawbringer gets a free light after block shoving someone on console. It's very annoying.

With Nobushi it's perfectly time Hidden Stance get two free lights and maybe a kick if they aren't quick enough into a free light or a heavy from a wallsplat. Her kick is really slow so depending on who you are fighting you are lucky to even get one off. Rense and Repeat. It's very defensive and if you get too aggressive you run out of stamina or they parry you. You have to play super safe.

[kanuzira]

You can still beat people by Block-Shoving them to death and parrying for a free Unblockable Heavy. And in 4v4 be an absolute nuisance and carrying them 20ft, flip them over your head, or throw 3 bombs at them. Not sure how it is on PC but Lawbringer gets a free light after block shoving someone on console. It's very annoying.

With Nobushi it's perfectly time Hidden Stance get two free lights and maybe a kick if they aren't quick enough into a free light or a heavy from a wallsplat. Her kick is really slow so depending on who you are fighting you are lucky to even get one off. Rense and Repeat. It's very defensive and if you get too aggressive you run out of stamina or they parry you. You have to play super safe.

Block shove for a free light is not on pc. Pancake flip isnt as usefull and not usable in a 1v1. Parry to unblockable only goes for an light parry. I can see how the impale in 4v4 is anoying but raider and warlords have unblockable ones. And so far for bombs... They can be a bit to good. But overall i this law needs attention first. Block shove can go for all i care if we get something viable in return. I agree nobu is a glass canon but ahe can get some more tricks up her sleeve. Mabu a futher dodge attack and other openers

[Han-Singular]

First off. no. Nobushi is not the worst character in the game. Nobushi has been my main since the beginning. Is she the Best no, not by a long shot. Nobushi has some of the best feints in the game. Her mix-ups are crazy good and Hidden Stance is her bread and butter. If you aren't using hidden stance and canceling all her attack recoveries all the time, you are not playing Nobushi.

She's not labeled as "Hard" for nothing. She has a very high learning curve, low life pool and is a character that needs to be played slow. Spamming will only get you killed. Throwing out lights will only get you killed, never throw lights from neutral unless your whiffing or you want to get parried and punished for it.

If you're up against a turtle, turtle back or get creative. if you have to use up almost all your stamina to hit them once, then do it and quit complaining.

In Duels she shines because Hidden stance is amazing, Multiple ways to bleed the enemy, great dash attacks and Range. Your not suppose to be doing crazy combos in duels, your suppose to pick your enemy apart. This isn't street fighter with 20 hit combos. She also has some of the most Damaging punishes in the game.

In Dominion she is by far one of the best support characters in the game.

What are you talking about?, She "has" and unblockable. if you are being to predictable or not delaying the kick then that's your fault, not Nobushi's.

I'm not gonna lie her rework(if you can even call it that) was a bit of a nerf but doesn't mean she's is the worst, far from it. there are other characters in the game that are much worse. In the right hands Nobushi is definitely a B-B+ ranked character.

[Han-Singular]

No offense but if you are a "Brand new Player" saying things like Nobushi should have her hidden stance removed is just ridiculous. you main her you say? what rep are you?

She does NOT use a spear, a Naginata is closer related to a pole-arm than a spear.

1) Her dodge attack is not the worst in the game. I recommend you go into the training arena and learn how to do her dodge attacks properly. I GUARENTEE you are attacking to early in the dodge.

2) Yes she gets a Kick at 600ms, it's a great tool and can be thrown at almost any time following almost every attack. Learn to be unpredictable with this move. Unblockables should not and will not will the game for you.

3) lol, this one made me laugh. Max punish can easily do over a 100 dmg.

4)Your right she is one of the lightest Characters in the game Carrying one of the heaviest weapon. Peace keeper has a 4 pound sword and dagger....hmm seems like a no brainer there. Her Range is Amazing I don't understand this complaint.

Mix-ups are terrible, i recommend you play the game longer and learn what your talking about.

5)Refer to #1 for the answer. The only dodge master in the game is Highlander in Aggressive stance, all dodges were normalized to 500ms except for highlander.

6) if your mashing buttons your are asking to be parried and punished, and you will be.

So just because you can get kills you admittedly don't deserve, you feel Nobushi is the worst? did i understand that correctly?