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Don’t forget lack of combos.
Going OOS after 3 heavies and 2 hidden stance. I go OOS and a warden goes OOS and recovers before me. Guess which one is supposed to be nimble?
HS stops stamina recovery for 3 seconds and OOS recovery takes like 5 seconds without gear. She is the most stamina deprived hero in this game.
Or kick being completely useless now. People can avoid the kick and initiate shoulder bash or throw a zone or even better GB. There is no hero in this game that gets GB’ed after a kick and some can even feint it.
Nobushi is even in worse place than game started. Just turtle and there is nothing she can do.
Game became pure UB and CC spam. She has no chance of competing with this reworked heroes. You can only parry so many UB. One warden top heavy takes half of my health.
Play as Warden in 4v4 and just dash into top UB heavy. You will win most fights. When he gets revenge he is invincible now. What kind of idiots idea was it to mix running and dash and zone attacks into mix up?
Game has so many broken things. Some heroes are gods in this game and some is weakest.
I just can’t take it with skill only. Every other hero is superior to NoBu. I can play as Kensei rep 1 (balanced hero) and all I do top light and zone I get more kills than NoBu.
I’m on the verge of quitting just a little more.
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lol so knowledgeable. Reddit community tier list is updated with each game update, it is for current version.
Duels: S (tournament winning viable) - Conqueror, Warlord, Warden, Gladiator, Highlander
Yes glad is in it with remarks that it is mostly because of his feintable\unpunishable zone.
Nobu combos:
Hardcoded combos are not everything:
Nobushi has fluent infinite combos with her dodge attacks + viper retreats, Usual attacks + viper retreat + dodge attacks. HS can participate in combos too almost anywhere. All that can come from changing directions and with delayed\not delayed dodge attacks randomly to throw off paries. Just train to do it right and not repeat yourself.
She has feintable move that can put the same pressure as an actual unblockable. HS+Heavy. Enemy has to perfectly parry, feint on feints. Or be punished for dodges or for hits\blocks. Same as with most of other characters unblockables. (Doesn't work vs Valk, Orochi and LB though, but they are not the top characters there are). Also i think i saw some posts about this move does not stop stamina recovery, always forgetting to check, maybe today.
But no you pick one of most broken overbuffed characters - Warden, compare Nobushi to this character and start to be depressed.
Kick is useless and dodgable when it is not delayed. As example after each sidewinder you can do mindgames with that very big kick delay and catch people on kick or gb.
Lots of things you can come up with to not just sit in defense and be predictable in attacks.
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To what Voiddp said i agree with a few things. One of them being that nobushi is being shown as the weakest one is false. I agree with that. Shugoki has the weakest spot covered pretty well, BUT she claims the second weakest spot pretty well. Previously she competed with Valkyrie, but she got her buff, and it did wonders for her. Nobushi on the other hand, had only 1 buff over entire balancing of the game and a multitude of nerfs, and the one buff gave her a faster kick. Thats it.
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Yes, shes not the weakest, only second weakest. With a strong defence she cant use, against sonic speed attackers.
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Hard to get in meaningful comments here, rep 20 Nobushi..
Duels are very hard... my impression is that the Nobushi is the ultimate n00b-killer. If you're unfamiliar with fighting her, you will get toasted. However, if you have practice against her, you will do quite well since most, if not all other champions have tools currently to defeat her.
Her moveset is very slim, she really only has a few routines that are viable and has no mix-ups, and so if you recognize the onset of a routine you're good to handle her pretty easily. In fact, when fighting others, I can tell who has had a lot of practice against Nobushi's and who hasn't; it's really obvious. This is frustrating because you can't really gauge your opponent properly since you need to test your routines (and get punished) to find out what you can use and what you can't. There is not a single move the Nobushi has that is safe. Let that sink in.
Couple that with every patch that has gone by without the Nobushi getting mentioned and you have a frustrated player that feels like the Nobushi, despite having a great aesthetic, is a waste of time in playing.
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I am noob Nobushi, just decided to play her little bit up to rep 3. I do only play 4v4, however, I don't find Nobu to be bad at all, again, in 4v4.
She is definitely not strong but her mixup potential is very good. There is always something new I can try.
To be brief as I can, imo, she is suffering from the same issue as Gladiator does. Players are not using full potential but they are relying on 1-2 good moves. From my experience, Gladiator is actually very good IF you use his full moveset. But majority keeps spamming his zone and toe stab whioe Nobushi keeps poking and kicking. It gets too old too fast and with these heroes you really need to use everything they have because they do have many options and enemy will struggle reading your tactics.
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While nobushi does lack an offense (like a handful of other heros) she's far from the worst. You're probably not using her to the fullest. I'd suggest watching someone like mr medium. He was widely considered one of the best Nobushi's on console. He's since moved to PC and is making waves there as well.
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@tehemperorer If you meant me, im soon to be 30rep with nobu alone, not that lvls mean anything in this game, but i do agree with everything you said after, almost as if i wrote it myself(kinda creepy how accurate it is)
@NHLGoldenKnight Nobu in 4v4's is an entirely different story. While in 1v1's the enemy has all the time in world to fight and focus to you, in 4v4's he has no time to waste, and is generaly in nobu's playground by then. If you find an opponent reacting to your feints is the point of his fast and certain kill. Tho, on rare occasions you see an opponent on 4v4's who keeps a cool head on his shoulders, again leading you back to doing nothing...
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I'm currently Rep 57 Nobush (Xbox)i, just like Lawbringer, she lacks offense and can't open a turtle. But if someone is super aggressive you can punish them no problem if your reflexes are quick enough.
-Her Swift Recoil is a useless ability, it's supposed to create distance between you and your opponent but the animation last so long, anyone with a gap closer, or move that allows them to move forward they get a free hit on you.
-Her lights are too slow, even out of Hidden Stance the light is still slow. Against players who know how to play the game, I'm always scared to make the first move. I have nothing to force a reaction, might get 1 kick off and after that it gets dodged and they get a free guardbreak.
- Her run speed is slow, Nobushi is a slim woman wearing a bathrobe and yet Lawbringer and Conqueror, guys incased in Heavy Armor, are faster than me. Warden is also faster so once I run into one on the battlefield there is no escape for me.
-Bring back her Blissful Rest, they removed this feat because they said they couldn't fins a middle ground with it, but they have Bombringer and the new Heroes have even more ridiculous feat like teleporting and locketing a target in a dome.
- Hidden Stance also stops her stamina regen, that needs to be removed, if Nobushi revolves all around Hidden Stance it needs more mix ups. No one is scared of a Nobushi the worse she can do is kick you into a wall and get a free heavy.
Right now most would say Nobushi is perfectly balanced which basically means she can't do **** to top tier picks that are spammed every game. Try winning a tournament as Nobushi and the entire competition is Wardens, Shamans, Conquerors, and Orochi, I'm not asking to make Noushi Top tier but give her something to fight with. I lost count of how many times I was ganked, defended perfectly, got revenge 1-3 times and still couldn't kill anyone. Her current kit isn't made to be offensive just boring passive aggressiveness.
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Nobu is imo one of the best heroes against warden. She can get out of the charged/uncharged 50/50 bash. Ofc warden is broken and can just cancel it and dashing attack you across the map, but that’s differentOriginally Posted by Helnekromancer Go to original post
