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[Siegfried-Z]

Sorry for the desillusion all ^^

Just an open discussion here as the data came so long to appear . Find my ranked below with comments :

S-tiers

1: Warden
Well he has everything, is easy to play, is safe.. He has speed, UB, Bash, 50/50 from neutral, best sup block of the game… i would say his Ub should be remoove and he's gonna be balanced

2 : Conq
The best char at scoring dmg without taking any risks and all his dmg come almost from guaranteed hit which put him there. Need a nerf on his SB at least

3 : HL
Too strong for me, high dmg, lots of HA and UB, guaranteed dmg on many bash, crazy range.. Needs at least a nerf on his caber toss 50/50

A-tiers

4 : Valk
Very good now, almost S-tiers but not bcz of her weak dmg and she can be punished hard sometimes. Btw amazing mixup potential and opener

5 : Kensei
Strong but fine, lots of options but all are reactable, mindgame char

6 : Zerk
Lots of HA and UB but very short range and at the end often doing the same feint. I think he shouldn't have HA on his light feint thats all

7 : Shaman
A lot are complaining about her but in my opinion she is fine, intense mix up and original mech, strong but not too much (for me)

B-tiers

8 : Shinobi
Very strong well played but nothing OP for me, interesting char

9 : Musha
I would say correct overall and in 1v1 or 4v4 and even very good against assassins

10 : Glad
Intense mix up, lots of options, good zone, but need a better guard to be good in 4v4(too tight currently)

11 : LB
Interesting and good kit, but he needs a better opener, overall he is good in 4v4

12 : Warlord
Good and in the average i think.. Just boring to play and to fight.. He needs more fun in his set

13 : Cent
Balance, strong cutscene in 4v4 but misse some options in 1v1

14 : Roch
Good kit overall but nothing special, in the low average i would say.. only lights spam options :/


C-tiers

15 : PK
Good kit but too weak dmg now and no UB, no Bash, No HA makes her weak in 4v4

16 : Raider
Top dog in 4v4 with stampede and zone but still stick with zone/tap mix up and has nothing more in 1v1

D-tiers

17 : Nobu
Strong defensive Char and good dmg but as shugo is strongly punished too often on her offense

18 : Shugo
Sill strong in 4v4 bcz HA,UB, Stun and Demon embrace but he is too much predictable and has no oponers at all

So please no rage here only discussion ^^ Tell your main(s) if you can. On my side my top 3 Char i play are Kensei (23) and Valk (15).

What do u think guys?

[Armosias]

Rename this thread as it is NOT official state of balance thanks.

[Siegfried-Z]

Where did you see "Official" in the title ? Anyway if not interested to discuss about it you would have lost less time to just back up than to comment .

[Lord_Cherubi]

I'd say this is pretty accurate, good post!

Alltho i wouldn't rank Highlander that high, he's deadly in good hands but no way is his kit S-tier material.

[Siegfried-Z]

I'd say this is pretty accurate, good post!

Alltho i wouldn't rank Highlander that high, he's deadly in good hands but no way is his kit S-tier material.

Thanks man !

Yep i was hesitating for HL, because while his kit is strong i know he requires some skills to be good with ^^ Maybe in top A tiers then because if abused his 50/50 is really OP.

[voiddp]

Not accurate at all for Nobushi.
She has punishable antinewb combos, sure. But also very good punishers herself and very good option select from HS
And dodge attacks, that require mastering the same as deflects require, but they are also unpunishable if used for countering people hits and then cancel recovery.
Also HS+dodge disables those 50\50(or not 50\50) of S-tiers.

She has no openers, but if Orochi is in somewhere B without openers. Then Nobu goes there too.
Well like in community tiers list from Reddit. B- for duels.

In this game most of character moves are reactable and punishable except for few that S-tiers have. So its not some specific Hero disadvantage.

[HazelrahFirefly]

After certain guarantees of placement at the top (Warden and Conquerer) it's pretty much subjective as to whom is better than whom.

For example, I don't see Valk as A-tier at all, I see her as B. I say this from a perspective of playing her and playing against Valks. The mix ups are mostly useless against anyone who can block, the sweep is easily dodged, and her best tool is now to light attack from neutral.

[SpaceJim12]

For example, I don't see Valk as A-tier at all, I see her as B. I say this from a perspective of playing her and playing against Valks. The mix ups are mostly useless against anyone who can block, the sweep is easily dodged, and her best tool is now to light attack from neutral.

I checked this with my friend, that you can't dodge sweep when you see it coming. So people start dodge before you do sweep. You can use it.=)

[Siegfried-Z]

Not accurate at all for Nobushi.
She has punishable antinewb combos, sure. But also very good punishers herself and very good option select from HS
And dodge attacks, that require mastering the same as deflects require, but they are also unpunishable if used for countering people hits and then cancel recovery.
Also HS+dodge disables those 50\50(or not 50\50) of S-tiers.

She has no openers, but if Orochi is in somewhere B without openers. Then Nobu goes there too.
Well like in community tiers list from Reddit. B- for duels.

In this game most of character moves are reactable and punishable except for few that S-tiers have. So its not some specific Hero disadvantage.

Hum of course she has some good things, thaat's why i say she is a very strong defensive char. But i think mostly would agree she isn't in a good spot despite of that right now. If i put Orochi above it is because he can be offensive without beeing frequently hard punish what Nobushi is :/

After certain guarantees of placement at the top (Warden and Conquerer) it's pretty much subjective as to whom is better than whom.

For example, I don't see Valk as A-tier at all, I see her as B. I say this from a perspective of playing her and playing against Valks. The mix ups are mostly useless against anyone who can block, the sweep is easily dodged, and her best tool is now to light attack from neutral.

Of course this is subjective but this is interesting to know people pov.
Well i am myself rep 15 valk and with her rework she deal pretty well with platers who can block.. i have no problem fighting LB with her for example. The sweep is of course easily dodge if you do it too often and in a predictive way but now valk has an amazing mix up which allow you to brain your opponent.

plus to that she is the only char having assassins mobility and deflect but with fix guard which is pretty nice

I checked this with my friend, that you can't dodge sweep when you see it coming. So people start dodge before you do sweep. You can use it.=)

Yep exactly, that's why you can easily punish ppl which always dodge ^^

[Speedgamer2002]

So i main cent (18), played some glad(2), and just picked up shinobi (2). I think that shinobi (this may be completely biased but hear me out) is A tier because yes a ranged parry or gb ends your weeb run simulator but if you play smart, not necessarily turtle it's extremely difficult for others to catch me even in 4v4s also his quad dash and backflip-kick or sickle rain mixup is very effective against most of the roster plus great overall damage.