Shugoki's light headbutt, compared to warlord. | Forums

[Callmedaddy1238]

Shugokis headbutt is unable to ledge people ok, but warlord can. Why is that? a explanation would be nice, but Im thinking that both headbutts should be able to ledge(Or neither) the problem I find with this is that shugoki requires a hit to do his headbutt, which cant even ledge, warlord can just headbutt, FOR the free hit, and it ledges.

[CRIMS0NM0NKEY]

HA. If you're a shugoki you could block someone in to ledge them. If your HA is up it would be guaranteed on some spots of the maps.
At least that is that I see as being the issue. Only thing that could stop the ledge is a missed counter. GB.
Possibly an orochi couples get out of it to with his double light.

[Neon_WiDoW]

I get why it doesn't ledge but it should still stick people to spikes. Its so silly how you can just keep pushing them into the spikes and they just bounce right off of it like its a wall.

[Jastorm187]

Shugokis headbutt is unable to ledge people ok, but warlord can. Why is that? a explanation would be nice, but Im thinking that both headbutts should be able to ledge(Or neither) the problem I find with this is that shugoki requires a hit to do his headbutt, which cant even ledge, warlord can just headbutt, FOR the free hit, and it ledges.

Okay, lets compare headbutts.
Shugokis head but is guaranteed after light, warlord headbutt is guaranteed after leaping heavy
Shug headbutt stuns, warlord headbutt does not
Shug headbutt drains a large amount of stamina, warlord headbutt drains more stam from warlord than it inflicts.
Shug gets hyper armor to increase HB chances... But cant be spammed
Warlord headbut can be spammed but is easily dodged and highly punishable for the minimum affect it has
Warlord headbutt can ledge, shug cant.

I think the headbutt is the last thing shug should complain about... Especially to a warlord.
Shug needs ALOT of work... Headbutt isnt one of them

[Colbth]

warlord has a quick recovery for his headbutt though, the most punish you can get is maybe a light attack

[cabooserz]

make shugoki have toestab?

[cabooserz]

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[Tyrjo]

warlord has a quick recovery for his headbutt though, the most punish you can get is maybe a light attack

No, he doesn't have quick recovery on it, you must be confusing WL with Conq. HB can be punished with a GB, but only really good players can do that consistently. It is usually punished with a dodge attack which then leads into another chained attack, feinted or soft feinted.

[Callmedaddy1238]

Shugoki needs a rework but how would it happen? shugoki is in a weird spot im thinking giving him a proper opener(like his oni charge which was nerfed)
However, I got a couple of suggestions, and you guys can reply to this to add your own suggestions(or explain why someone elses ideas shouldnt be implemented)

[Ozmoses_Nil]

Honestly I've felt the same about Goki Headbutt. against spiked wall and ledges. I'm like "it's a freaking headbutt from a 600lbs beast WTF!!!"
And it's not like Goki has the fastest of lights. Any turtle Bro can block and even parry most of Goki's lights. Or maybe this is just my issue on PC.