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[TheHand]

I have been using this workaround for some time now. I didn't do it at all for my first character to level 30 and 100% cartel destabilisation, but I began employing it for tier mode---where the AIs "cheat" constantly with wallhax and aimbots---and two person coop, which is quite unforgiving.

I don't feel even the tiniest bit guilty about it.

I am concerned, however, that publicly posting about it will compel Ubisoft to take steps against it. I have recommended savegame backups in one on one conversations with members of my task force and other players via my Discord server, but speaking about it publicly in an Ubisoft controlled communications medium seemed too risky.

So while I'll be glad of any additional pleasure and reduced frustration experienced by any player who reads this thread---for the time being---I am much afeared that Ubisoft will consider this technique a subversion of their artistic intent and find a way to stop it or punish it as an exploit. ((((

Non-exist-ent,

I have read several threads where Ubisoft was encouraging backups. They know they have a lil work to do. If there wasn't backups I can tell you that so many people i know were bouncing from this game to something else until the backup news spread. This forum isn't just about Ubisoft interests... but a resource for players to connect ideas and challenges they have with the game in all capacity.

I agree with you on the backlash stuff. I was a little ticked off that someone I knew was punished for doing something in game that was by all means exploiting. But, that person didn't use a third party hack.. its a game flaw. Fix it and own it. Don't blame the player for simply doing something the game allows him to do.

I personally press the envelope when it comes to gaming. I am quick to complete it and when I am done I am not quite done... I press it further. I have a lot that I would never post on forums and the stuff I do post is PG rated gaming mechanics. Stuff that many will run in to or try more less.

For instance how many days did it take for anyone by mere change of interest, switch missions from Archangel to something else after you had Twitch in the chopper? It was the first thing I did when I saw she was a lead.. and what do you know? she attacks stuff.. and she is loyal =p What about Caveira?.. can we grab her too? of course we can. "Now its a Party" is all I heard in that mission..
Look at what I was doing today! https://youtu.be/_czw0Bbakac Am I worried? no! I am beginning to wreck face all over Wildlands with my 6 shooters... it gives me something to do. If they choose to nerf it.. aw well, move on. Rather they know its happening.

I think it is important to share that information with Ubisoft so they can make decisions. If the information is good, bad or indifferent it all helps the game as a whole. I can tell you this. I know they monitor their client base. We find things they wouldn't have the time for.

I want better stuff going on with this game.. something I will post. No one will reply, but maybe some little piece will make sense to them.. and just maybe they say "hey that's not a bad idea". Where do you think they do there due-diligence? right here.

-TheHand

[X_FRoeeeeee]

@All the users here that take advantage of the cloud system.

I retract what I said in my earlier post! After posting here today on another few threads and acknowledging how BS the enemy A.I system is in lower Tier mode and the magical detection system they have ie, through thick foliage that not even my $65,000 NVG/Thermals cant I am saying F’em!

If you can get an advantage over the BS bugs and other stuff in the games coding then do it as little or as much as you see fit. Hell if Ubi don’t wanna fix their game then use what ever you gotta to make the game actually playable without encountering the BS that is in the game over a year after launch.

Good luck my fellow ghosts and hope you all hit Tier 1 whichever way you all got to 👍.

[Nicolov]

I think it is a bit sad, that the PD feature gets undermined by this backup cheat. So I am not sure wether to continue playing GM, I kind of liked the tension of the unforgiving PD.
Perhaps UBI should make GM cloud save only, but should KIA only when caused by enemy bullets or grenades etc., shouldn't be too hard to implement.

Personally I would have liked the whole Ghost Mode a bit different, the way I play it, no enemy icons, just rely on eyes and drone, only extreme difficulty allowed, but would rather have 2 main weapons, which is more fun ..

[Paladinrja]

I think it is a bit sad, that the PD feature gets undermined by this backup cheat. So I am not sure wether to continue playing GM, I kind of liked the tension of the unforgiving PD.

Play it for you and don't worry about what everyone else does. Worrying about whether anything you do in gaming has a koom bah yah attached is a **** metric. There's no ladder or anything, anyway.

[Kean_1]

I think it is a bit sad, that the PD feature gets undermined by this backup cheat. So I am not sure wether to continue playing GM, I kind of liked the tension of the unforgiving PD.
Perhaps UBI should make GM cloud save only, but should KIA only when caused by enemy bullets or grenades etc., shouldn't be too hard to implement.

How is permadeath undermined exactly in your case? You still have the option to play it and allow your character to be erased. If you're able to backup your character, then the decision as to whether or not you feel the death is justified is still in your hands. You have the power to either not restore the backup and accept the PD or not.

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why some folks have an issue with how others play in this kind of PvE environment. Why does it matter? It's not as if what I do in my game environment takes anything away from yours. The game (and mode) already allows people to play on any difficulty from Arcade to Extreme, markers or no markers, tech or no tech, solo or co-op, AI or lone wolf, etc.

Personally I would have liked the whole Ghost Mode a bit different, the way I play it, no enemy icons, just rely on eyes and drone, only extreme difficulty allowed, but would rather have 2 main weapons, which is more fun ..

....and there is your answer. You would like to play you want to play and I completely agree as this had been the vision since development of this game. This is also why I believe these new features in GM should have been implemented as options in the main game as most originally requested they be. That way everyone could custom tailor their own experience with their own restrictions much like we all do now with difficulty settings, HUD elements, etc.

The funny thing is that you already can play Ghost Mode the way you describe except for the 2 primaries. You can already select Extreme difficulty, you can already choose to use the drone or not, you can already choose to turn off markers. ....because those are options.

In my case I have absolutely no interest in PD as a feature but I do like the other newly introduced components that a lot of us had been asking for. While some of us wait to see if these features will be made into options in the main game, the ability to restore my saves has allowed me a way to bypass this feature I don't like but still enjoy the game with the new features I do. .....the ability to play the way I want to play.

[DIDJAMOM]

You should add save procedures for PS4 and XB1.

you can't for xbox 1 as soon as you die the file automatically overwrites it'self and on the xb1x there is no way to turn off cloud saved games

[DIDJAMOM]

You should add save procedures for PS4 and XB1.

you can't for xbox 1 as soon as you die the file automatically overwrites it'self and on the xb1x there is no way to turn off cloud saved games which sucks so you can't back up saves on consoles.

[Kean_1]

you can't for xbox 1 as soon as you die the file automatically overwrites it'self and on the xb1x there is no way to turn off cloud saved games

ahhh, I see. Thanks for that.

[del190228125713607]

I think it is a bit sad, that the PD feature gets undermined by this backup cheat. So I am not sure wether to continue playing GM, I kind of liked the tension of the unforgiving PD.
Perhaps UBI should make GM cloud save only, but should KIA only when caused by enemy bullets or grenades etc., shouldn't be too hard to implement.

Personally I would have liked the whole Ghost Mode a bit different, the way I play it, no enemy icons, just rely on eyes and drone, only extreme difficulty allowed, but would rather have 2 main weapons, which is more fun ..

Nicolov, the permadeath feature is not undermined but defeated by backing up save files, and that is the point. But the way you've worded your response, it seems you want some sort of public statistics for everyone, that would show what difficulty someone played on, and what weapons they used (guns, gunships, explosive drones etc.) to judge their playstyle and skill. Else, why would 'you' be unsure whether or not to continue playing Ghost Mode. As I've written already, this is something Ubisoft will never do, because there is no standard that players need to adhere to in Ghost Mode. It is a forced permadeath gamemode where everyone has their own personal PvE experience.

Clearly, you want to meet new people and not just play solo or with people you already know, and you want people you play with to be restricted by Ghost Mode the same way you restrict yourself. And that is your privilege. Go out there, meet people, and I guarantee that with enough time and patience, you will run into people who have your exact playstyle and who are against backups as well. As for people who use this backup method for their own reasons, they have nothing to do with your personal experience.

As Kean_1 responded, you (and the people you choose to play with) have a choice. Don't use backups if they're too evil and dishonest for your taste.

My friends and I have always wanted their to be a difficulty filter at least so we would never have to deal with anyone below Extreme difficulty, when we're trying to meet new people in Public Matchmaking, but the playerbase for this game is just not large enough for Ubisoft to implement such a filter.

Suggestions have already been made where only legitimate KIA's (enemy/player bullets, explosions, environmental deaths etc.) would count. But I find it highly unlikely that it is even possible in the game engine when for instance, some people have reported falling through the map to be a "Death by Explosion" in the KIA screen (including myself), while others have reported the same glitch to be a "Death by Suicide" in the KIA screen. The game engine is not intelligent enough to distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate KIA's, as I've stated several times before.

Also, there is a way to cheat the cloud saving system as well. In short, even if you have cloud saving on, and do not make backups of your save files, you can still restore your KIA'd Ghost Mode character to a certain point, if you know how cloud saving works on Uplay. I could have detailed this step-by-step as well, but I wanted to keep the satire against Ghost Mode and Ubisoft at a reasonable level.

you can't for xbox 1 as soon as you die the file automatically overwrites it'self and on the xb1x there is no way to turn off cloud saved games which sucks so you can't back up saves on consoles.

Thank you for this information, DIDJAMOM. I'll add this to the original post. Sorry, Xbox One players, you don't get to enjoy the amazing open-world PvP Ghost Mode griefing and the prestige points that afford you such luxuries as Corn Pipes, Cowboy Boots and Miner Helmets for your highly trained badass killing machine operator, as PC and PS4 players do.

[TheHand]

I think it is a bit sad, that the PD feature gets undermined by this backup cheat. So I am not sure wether to continue playing GM, I kind of liked the tension of the unforgiving PD.
Perhaps UBI should make GM cloud save only, but should KIA only when caused by enemy bullets or grenades etc., shouldn't be too hard to implement.

Personally I would have liked the whole Ghost Mode a bit different, the way I play it, no enemy icons, just rely on eyes and drone, only extreme difficulty allowed, but would rather have 2 main weapons, which is more fun ..

Suggestions and cautionary threads were created prior to launch bud. They chose to release anyways. Some of us played a No-Kia group permadeath mode for months and completed the game and deep into low tiers.. We had rules and it didn't include falling through the map was a KIA. Rescue missions were the biggest fun of it.. and they didn't capture that part in the threads discussing it.. Imagine your guy is down, injured not dead.. and you need to mount a rescue to get them out and manually medic them. Yea we didn't allow drone medics. Rescues were something we tried to avoid, but looking back it was the highlights of the experience. You can even message a friend to please come in to game and assist in the rescue. But the game mechanics aren't built in a way for this to happen. IE.. incoming players should spawn at the RP they last logged off at. not near others or combat. SO everyone feels somewhat safe coming in to a co-op session. We co-op'd 100% of ghost mode. would not do it any other way. So our input is sound and spot on.

Undermine? nah, for me it would be holding UBI accountable to the rules of what is a legit KIA. I've never used a back-up or needed to disc for AI to come in on CO-OP and "knock on wood"I didn't fall through the map to tier01. But i boostered the whole way from lvl1 to tier01 in 16 hours played. Something that I suggest to people that can afford it.

Lastly, you will enjoy it till you fall through the map and kia via suicide.. or some troll killz u in co-op and talks crap to you and watches you bleed out. For those that don't have a strong circle of experienced players. Going Solo is the only way to go.

-thehand