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I really disagree Kensei looks to have that much more Option than Warden and Raider.Originally Posted by NHLGoldenKnight Go to original postOnly thing I can defend agains is actually his zone lol. Everything else hits me right in the face.
My biggest issues with him is that he is fake Vanguard. Compared to other Vanguards he has so many options at his disposal and dodge attack is pretty important advantage. He is so fluid with his moveset and Raider and Warden next to him look like caveman swinging their wooden sticks while dancing around the fire. Kensei has like 17 or 18 different moves compared to 6 or 7 for other two Vanguards. And while Warden or Raider are almost only 1 trick pony, Kensei is probably most unpredictable hero overall, not just in Vanguard class. The way they built him is more that of a Hybrid than Vanguard.
Compared directly to Warden, here is why I am pissed off at Kensei or devs for making him like that:
1. Mobility. He is definitely more mobile than Warden with his dodge attack, sudden change of direction and spinning top strikes. Which would be ok if he was Orochi but he is Kensei, Vanguard class. Strong dude, well armored for a Samurai and his weapon is actually usually heavier and harder to manipulate than longsword. Same as Warden who surprisingly ( or actually not) doesn't have dodge attack.
2. Weapon is another reason why I don't get his moveset. So he gets to have thrusting move with his odachi but Warden doesn't although longsword is more appropriate weapon for thrusting. On top of that, Kensei is the one who gets pommel strike and although not historically inacurate, it is still much more fitting move for Warden, considering his longsword.
Imo, he cheated out Warden of his moves plus he already has a lot of cool stuff. Can't say I like it.
Yes he has more tools than Raider but more tools didn't mean stronger. In 4v4 Raider is an absolute beast.
About Warden, specially after rework, he has an easier access to his mix up, a better pressure game, a zone as fast as Kensei one, better lights considering their are all 500ms now. . AND anything can be followed by his unblocables now which Kensei cannot do.
Without a doubt, while Kensei is strong, in 1v1 Warden is better now.
These kind of statements i don't understand .Originally Posted by Spiinight666 Go to original post
Top light ? 500ms and the top one is his only effective light To engage.. others are parried.
Zone ? 500ms as well.. always come from same side.
Pommel strike safe ?? The moove is perfomed on a 1sec top heavy .. it is like "Hey man i am going To use pommel strike so land a light To punish me"
How people can have that much problem with such predictable things... wonder.
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No game will ever have every character absolutely balanced. Kensei is definitely near the top of the pile post rework but at least is still on the same playing field as the rest of the cast (just as one of the star players) - everyone can remember at least one character getting launched who is on another level entirely, and thats when the absurd gets called out.
For me his dodge attacks are only a problem when he target switches in dominion, although given his block properties and reach of his weapon i'd think it would be fair if this was a light attack with light attack punish to force more thought into its use
Zone isnt the most broken move in the game, but its fast for its damage (i.e cents superfast uncharged heavies are 600 ms for 25 damage, with only a fraction of the arc or reach of kensei). In duels this gives him some crazy mixup potential as the zone doesn't follow a sequence (top feint into pommel str... wait *ouch* zone). Not unbeatable, but definitely powerful
Personally the only absurd thing about kensei is post rework his 'all attacks unblockable' feat was left in dominion
