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[Drulysses]

I cant counter guard breaks. They interrupt my heavies, they interrupt my lights, they even interrupt my guard breaks. I ragequit yesterday because i initiated a guardbreak and then my opponent initiated one and his landed and mine jist never counted i guess. I have never succesfully countered a guard break against a player, only bots and only in duels. When i attempt a guard break, it is almost always countered. My guard breaks can be countered by heavies, lights, and bashes. When someone is guard breaking me, their guard break counters my heavies, lights, and bashes. At first i thought i just needed to get good, but after hours and hours of dedicated practice there has been no change in my success with countering a guard break. How can i when the guard break counters everything. They are even interrupting my light attacks. And it isnt characters with hyper armor. It's everyone. I can parry light attacks easier than countering guard breaks. When my ooponents figure this out (and they usually do) they just spam guard break and there's nothing i can do. I've even tried spamming the button when i see one incoming but that doesnt work either.

This is not a game mechanic because i have tried all the suggestions that are proven to work and they dont.

Again, i cant stress this enough, my enemy's guard breaks consistently interrupt every single animation that exists in the game.

So far, not a single person has attempted tomaddress thismissue with me and st this point i want a refund because i am not playing the same game as everyone else and it isnt fair when they can literally use one button to beat me every single time.

I can parry light attacks consistently, i have never once countered a guard break. Someone explain this.

[Wobbleshnort]

I'm curious what class you're playing. I know my conqueror light attacks beat guardbreaks (except when there is lag trouble). My heavies can be countered by guardbreaks if they do it soon enough. Dodges are always vulnerable to guardbreak.

Revenge makes guardbreaks act differently too. They can grab you willy nilly if they're in revenge.

Lag seems to make guardbreaks act really weird. I can guardbreak a laggy player and suddenly I'm the one that's broken. The laggy player seems to always win a guardbreak fight. I've had lights and zones get guardbroken by laggy players. I'm bashing their head in but they hit that guardbreak sometime last week so now I'm stuck.

[pimmas01]

there used to be a mechanic in the game that punished you if you didn't time it correctly, but because of the issue you mentioned when 2 players try GBing eachother at the same time, and the slower one got the upper hand for some reason, it got changed so now you can spam it all you want.
so to counter GB someone, just spam that button.

you have to keep in mind though, you can't counter GB's if you're still recovering from various actions, like dodging. so dont dodge when you dont need to or you will get grabbed.
also, because this is online there WILL be some delay. that's why you can see yourself getting grabbed even though you just started up a light attack, even though you never seem to be able to grab someone during Their lights. if this was on LAN connection it probably wouldn't happen as often, or at all.

Heavy attacks have longer windup and they put in some vulnerable frames at the start of it where the opponent can grab you, add delay to that and you might see yourself get grabbed in the middle of your heavy aswell, especially if your heavy is really slow (highlander, raider).
some weird **** like this is gonna happen, it's frustrating and can feel unfair but im sure your opponents see a Lot of this aswell. it's not just you.

get to know the game mechanics, so you know what is lag and what is intended. then it gets less frustrating.

[Klingentaenz3r]

You counter a GB when the read shield pops up on the body of YOUR character. You don't react on the sign on the other guy it just implicates that a GB attack is thrown at you.
This is your safest rule. For normal GB as pimma stated you can just spam the button but for quick throws like cent's mid chain GB after a light or shinobi's ranged gb you have to be precise with the timing and CANNOT spam otherwise it will be recognized as a false input and you get in fact guardbroken.

heavies are vulnerable on startup to guardbreaks. That is why heavy feints into gb are very effective when the opponent tends to parry your attacks. The only exceptions who have a very very small vulnerability frame on heavy startup are Centurion, Gladiator and Aramusha (700 ms heavies). So you basically should not try the feint into GB on those as they punish you with a heavy to your face.

Here is a list from reddit to show you why some heavies are easily guardbroken and others not:

GB is approximately a 400 ms move

Heavy Type

• 0-700ms -> 0-100ms Guard Break vulnerability
• 800-1000ms -> 0-400ms Guard Break vulnerability
• 1100-1300ms -> 0-600ms Guard Break vulnerability
• 1400-…ms -> 0-800ms Guard Break vulnerability

Gladiators zone has 0 ms of gb vulnerability, meaning you can react to gbs with it.

Light attacks beat GB. You can almost react to attempts with them. There is a 100 ms vulnerability on startup but it is really very very slim. So basically if you get caught with a gb when you wanted to throw a light you probably were just a notch too late. Bashes of course also beat GB attempts but GB can beat those if initiated early enough when they are about to dodge to activate the bash. Works well on warden for example. Conq's activates too fast.


GB that interrupt GB is a bit of a strange thing. It might be that the other guy was just a little faster with the input and due to latency you get this result. Could be also that in general the later thrown GB just overrules the other.

[Ant0hni0]

Drulysses, man, I fully agree.

I have the same problem and a full description of it with my suggestions are here: https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...-just-a-little
let me guess, do yuo play with keyboard and mouse?
Using gamepad I counterGB every 50/50 just from the beginning. But on mouse can't counter till now (16th reputation) at all.
I successfuly parry attacks, but when i press CGB, something goes wrong any time - timing or pressing other buttons with the GB-button, that cancel my CGB, or the fate - I don't know.

I've even bought a new mouse to make special GB-button under my big thumb. I wait for it to come next week, but I already guess, it won't help.

I tried to suggest some ways to help people like you and me. Will be glad if you support any of them.

[Klingentaenz3r]

Drulysses, man, I fully agree.

I have the same problem and a full description of it with my suggestions are here: https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...-just-a-little
let me guess, do yuo play with keyboard and mouse?
Using gamepad I counterGB every 50/50 just from the beginning. But on mouse can't counter till now (16th reputation) at all.
I successfuly parry attacks, but when i press CGB, something goes wrong any time - timing or pressing other buttons with the GB-button, that cancel my CGB, or the fate - I don't know.

I've even bought a new mouse to make special GB-button under my big thumb. I wait for it to come next week, but I already guess, it won't help.

I tried to suggest some ways to help people like you and me. Will be glad if you support any of them.

Geez, if you have that much trouble just mashing the right button (which is really all you need to do ->MASH to get it every_single_time, no specific timing even necessary although I told it to explicitly as well) then put guardbreak somewhere where it is more comfortable. Best on some button on which your fingers are already. Like L1/LB for example is quite a common swap for many ppl. You have to realize guys you are beginners and a minority, Having the issues with gb (a new unusal mechanic) is understandable but fully on you and a matter of learning how to play. Iif it were so hard /complicated to deal with we would have already a change. CGBing was on release much harder and that was changed. Since then (almost 2 years later) there was no further adjustment. And no, mouse and keyboard is not harder at all, the fact that you can put it anywhere you like ensures that you can place it at nice easy to reach place whilst on the controller you usually don't have too many options and back in the day you even didn't have those official customization options.

[Ant0hni0]

Hello, guys.
I solved counter-GB problem just buying a new mouse with a big button under the big thumb.
With a previous mouse I had to raise my finger and only after it push a button. Now I just push and fit the timing.
Hurray, I had to buy a new mouse just for this game.
But.... Cent..... Cent's chain GBs still drive me crazy.

[pimmas01]

cents can't chain gb more effectively than anyone else so i assume you mean his heavyfeint into GB spam. you can't react to everything they do, or you'll get caught out. for me half the battle is patience : d it took me a Long time to get used to the softfeint and unblockable meta that we have today.

[Rain-Dragon]

I cant counter guard breaks. They interrupt my heavies, they interrupt my lights, they even interrupt my guard breaks. I ragequit yesterday because i initiated a guardbreak and then my opponent initiated one and his landed and mine jist never counted i guess. I have never succesfully countered a guard break against a player, only bots and only in duels. When i attempt a guard break, it is almost always countered. My guard breaks can be countered by heavies, lights, and bashes. When someone is guard breaking me, their guard break counters my heavies, lights, and bashes. At first i thought i just needed to get good, but after hours and hours of dedicated practice there has been no change in my success with countering a guard break. How can i when the guard break counters everything. They are even interrupting my light attacks. And it isnt characters with hyper armor. It's everyone. I can parry light attacks easier than countering guard breaks. When my ooponents figure this out (and they usually do) they just spam guard break and there's nothing i can do. I've even tried spamming the button when i see one incoming but that doesnt work either.

This is not a game mechanic because i have tried all the suggestions that are proven to work and they dont.

Again, i cant stress this enough, my enemy's guard breaks consistently interrupt every single animation that exists in the game.

So far, not a single person has attempted tomaddress thismissue with me and st this point i want a refund because i am not playing the same game as everyone else and it isnt fair when they can literally use one button to beat me every single time.

I can parry light attacks consistently, i have never once countered a guard break. Someone explain this.

You simply haven't developed the routine reflex to avoid/counter GBs yet. Common issue for all beginners and used to be even harder.
Just add me and we practice GB.

I guess my post is redundant, seeing the date of the OP now.