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    1.8.3 - When?

    Can Massive please communicate when they plan to deploy the update to address the ridiculous Striker meta?

    Will there be a State of the Game this Thursday to "announce" the changes?

    This is presumably not going to be a big patch. It really shouldn't take this long.

    95 per cent of the player population now runs with the exact same build, exact same weapons, exact same talents and exact same mods. Most of them even wear the exact same bloody mask.

    If they were "internally testing" the changes two weeks ago, they have surely reached a conclusion about how to balance this gear set and certain overpowered weapons. Is this something they can now reveal? I don't understand why it needs to be such a secretive process anyway.

    I already know what the answer to this question will be. Massive are nothing if not predictable.
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    When they have a date they will tell us. Its as simple as that.
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    The silence hurts, doesn't it?

    Btw, it has always been like this.
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    Originally Posted by Zepho_Bark Go to original post
    Can Massive please communicate when they plan to deploy the update to address the ridiculous Striker meta?

    Will there be a State of the Game this Thursday to "announce" the changes?

    This is presumably not going to be a big patch. It really shouldn't take this long.

    95 per cent of the player population now runs with the exact same build, exact same weapons, exact same talents and exact same mods. Most of them even wear the exact same bloody mask.

    If they were "internally testing" the changes two weeks ago, they have surely reached a conclusion about how to balance this gear set and certain overpowered weapons. Is this something they can now reveal? I don't understand why it needs to be such a secretive process anyway.

    I already know what the answer to this question will be. Massive are nothing if not predictable.
    Why does striker bother you so much ? It is balance ,lol ... If we were all running the same then we would have the same power, and you would see the skill players , But all i seem to see is the cheaters, face tanking , taking no damage , Now the GE is past everyone should have a full striker set, and we should have full balance ... lol ... oh well leave the cheaters and blame the gear..
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    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    Why does striker bother you so much ? It is balance ,lol ... If we were all running the same then we would have the same power, and you would see the skill players , But all i seem to see is the cheaters, face tanking , taking no damage , Now the GE is past everyone should have a full striker set, and we should have full balance ... lol ... oh well leave the cheaters and blame the gear..
    The small minority of genuinely skilled players will succeed regardless of the meta. I exclusively play Hunter's Faith and generally do well against most Striker morons.

    It's the boredom that bothers me. PVP should be the place where players can find some variety. Right now it's as predictable as running Lexington. Almost EVERY pvp encounter involves the same gear, same weapons, same tactics, same talents, same mods, same skills. "Do you know what the definition of madness is?"

    It's only balanced if you want to join the sheep and grab your M4/House/Showstopper.

    I know Massive will only communicate any information when they want to. This post was intended more to draw attention to the fact that months have passed since they announced a balance change. Even accepting that the chimpanzees they use to make the changes need to be put back into their cages at night, surely they could have done something by now? This is not a big patch, after all. It will likely involve one bug fix and a few minor tweaks.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to ask if a) there will be a State of the Game this week and b) will they be "announcing" the great Striker changes?
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    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    Why does striker bother you so much ? It is balance ,lol ... If we were all running the same then we would have the same power, and you would see the skill players , But all i seem to see is the cheaters, face tanking , taking no damage , Now the GE is past everyone should have a full striker set, and we should have full balance ... lol ... oh well leave the cheaters and blame the gear..
    Striker Classified in a pvp setting has always bothered me because it has dumbed the game down. It bothers me because the only reason I have stuck with The Division for over 2 years has been variety and viability of all 14 gearsets, he, and exotics to keep the game interesting and encounters constantly different....The rpg element. It has taken away the need to tweak builds and find balance between dps, toughness, and skill power based on the goal of the build and which build the player is running.

    This one noob set has taken all of the work, strategy, theory crafting, thoughtfulness, and diversity right out of the game. The mindset has become "Why bother figuring anything out, when I can simply slap 6 pieces of this op crap on, roll all stats to exactly what the rest of the mindless sheep are running, equip my shownoober and house/m4, and dominate encounters....or keep up with the rest of the sheep I encounter. It's lazy, it's unimaginative, it's uncreative, it's boring. I, for one, have never and will never be the player to just join the crowd. F that!

    People can argue on the side of the artificial "balance" that it brings by everyone running it. That's nothing more than a straight up cop out. The Division is all about gearsets, styles of play, and what happens when they collide. Oh, and by the way, for all of those players that say "If everyone just runs striker, then encounters will just be about skill v skill", that's a generic single-minded load of crap. It takes WAY more skill to come across multiple build types and figure out how and what you're going to need to do to beat them, other than simply having more stacks than them and perform idiotic movements that make it look like you ran out of hemorrhoid cream. No, what these players are actually saying is "I think The Division should be just like every other vanilla shooter on the market and completely ignore it's core rpg element. That way it's only gun v gun, stack v stack, heal timing, and hemorrhoid movement that decide the outcome and takes no additional thought or tactics when engaging other players......Yah?....Well, f that.

    If you want The Division or even TD2 to be that experience, please just go play something else. There are numerous options available that provide that experience. I've spent over 2 years fighting for the rpg core of this game to stay in tact. I've lost a lot of those fights with the unnecessarily extreme nerfs to things in this game. Because I passionately did not want this game to turn into just another vanilla shooter....Which right now with classified striker, it has become just that.
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    Originally Posted by Zepho_Bark Go to original post
    The small minority of genuinely skilled players will succeed regardless of the meta. I exclusively play Hunter's Faith and generally do well against most Striker morons.

    It's the boredom that bothers me. PVP should be the place where players can find some variety. Right now it's as predictable as running Lexington. Almost EVERY pvp encounter involves the same gear, same weapons, same tactics, same talents, same mods, same skills. "Do you know what the definition of madness is?"

    It's only balanced if you want to join the sheep and grab your M4/House/Showstopper.

    OK, so Striker players are morons now huh? If you are running HF and can take Striker players on, then why the hostility and why do u care so much what others are running? Were u *****ing when everyone was running Banshee or were u in the camp of "git good" or "if u don't like PVP stay outa the DZ"?
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    Originally Posted by Mr__Gru Go to original post
    OK, so Striker players are morons now huh?
    You are answering your own question with this post.

    Originally Posted by Mr__Gru Go to original post
    If you are running HF and can take Striker players on, then why the hostility and why do u care so much what others are running?
    I explained. Others have explained.

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    Were u *****ing when everyone was running Banshee or were u in the camp of "git good" or "if u don't like PVP stay outa the DZ"?
    I have absolutely no idea what this means. Are you using Google translate?
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    WOW the hostility for striker is ripe ? . lol STRIKER is strong but not that powerful , I use it but i prefer nomad and lone star ... It is NOT the striker it is the cheaters with aim bot and cronus that is killing the game, I run dz solo in nomad , striker, lone star , and banshee .. And how can striker be a noob set when the new players can not get the set, even people that have played for the last 2 years plus, have had problems building it....Now after the GE more should have it..Good for them let them use it and have fun, it is a game after all...
    Instead of insulting players call for a cheat engine , Nobody is twisting your arm behind your back saying you must use it.. Use what you are happy with and let people play the game and play with what they are happy with,
    Every time we get something good in this game people call for nerfs as they can not get it, or can not change their build to combat it, call to end the cheats game will balance better ..
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    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    WOW the hostility for striker is ripe ? . lol STRIKER is strong but not that powerful , I use it but i prefer nomad and lone star ... It is NOT the striker it is the cheaters with aim bot and cronus that is killing the game, I run dz solo in nomad , striker, lone star , and banshee .. And how can striker be a noob set when the new players can not get the set, even people that have played for the last 2 years plus, have had problems building it....Now after the GE more should have it..Good for them let them use it and have fun, it is a game after all...
    Instead of insulting players call for a cheat engine , Nobody is twisting your arm behind your back saying you must use it.. Use what you are happy with and let people play the game and play with what they are happy with,
    Every time we get something good in this game people call for nerfs as they can not get it, or can not change their build to combat it, call to end the cheats game will balance better ..
    Slight exaggeration inbound.....I call it a noob set because I could hand anyone, new to the game or not, the cookie-cutter striker build and they could dominate with it.....Ok, slight exaggeration over.

    It breaks the formula used with virtually every other gearset in the game. It doesn't have to bother with decision making on how to allocate the stats, because it literally gets the best of all aspects. Dps-check, toughness-check, Sustain-check. There are no restrictions or inherent drawbacks to the set. It just does everything meaningful in the game and pays no cost or sacrifice to do so, unlike every other set that has these in place. That is where it goes from being just a good set, with it's own niche in the game, into a crystal clear obvious choice when compared to every other set. There's the problem.

    Mr Gru, you didn't hear me make waves about Banshee because it doesn't break the balance. You have added damage, but you sure as hell don't stack 100% extra damage with ease, nor do you get that ridiculous heal at the exact same time, nor do you get the +30% extra stability at the exact same time.....Striker does get all of those at the exact same time, and it's the only one that does.

    Now as far as players having fun and running it, I'm fine with that....Just not the way it currently exists. It needs to be brought back in line with the rest of the sets available. And once it is, if players stop using it, then they weren't using it for fun. They were using it to gain a clear and obvious advantage. And in that specific case I say good riddance.

    As stated, we are over 2 years in. I'm realistic. If they haven't addressed anti-cheat, cronus, etc. by this point, they're not going to do it period. So there's no point in beating that dead horse any longer other than to be vocal. Nothing will happen on that subject. Balancing a set is different. They have a history of tweaking sets and guns over the last 2 years. (Sometimes too extreme) So yes, I'm going to focus my time and energy into getting that set brought back down to be in line with the rest.
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