Ghost Mode: excessive isn’t it? | Forums

[Ringwraith5]

I don't think you can dilute "Permadeath", it's an all or nothing concept by definition and should stay in the game as an option.

Actually, in a way, you can and (as I've mentioned earlier) it's been done before in many games using this feature. For example, in '"Don't Starve", the actions of your character may lead to unlocking new characters with different stats, that may completely change a new playthrough. So while your original character may be dead, you still have a sense of progression, because you got something out of that death.

And (as I've also stated before), the easiest system to implement would be a prestige credit payout upon death, with the amount depending on how far you got. The further you get, the more prestige you get, allowing you to buy prestige crates. And since duplicates get turned into battle creds, you will eventually be able to buy battle crates. That way you will be able to start out with powerful weapons, fast and easy access to a variety of vehicles, all of which should make subsequent playthroughs easier.

[biomag83]

Actually I have only 2 wishes at this point:

1. Features from Ghost Mode should be intregrated into the main campain. All those request being locked up in a permadeath mode is so typical of this team dev and such a big misunderstanding what the community wants.

2. If my character dies, let me restart after the death screen without having to create a new character, with new customization (and for those using it re-doing the squads customization). Just give me an option at the deathscreen to go back to zero. Don't make my coop players wait for me to go back to menu, recreate my ghost, recreate my weapon and then get back to them.

[DadNomad]

Leave Ghost mode alone! It's perfect as it is. Making real permadeath an option ruins the entire point!

[Captain_Summers]

My thoughts.

its a lazy, poor mechanic, contrived by poor game design, when you have to nerf your ‘elite’ soldiers of core, required skills and force the player through hours of grind to unlock features that should be there from the first instant.

i.e. Skills.

an elite team of spec-ops soldiers, can’t do a 4 person sync shot until you’ve spent hours ‘unlocking / upgrading? It’s lazy and frustrating.

i love all the features of ‘ghost mode’ inc permadeath, and have long asked them to be the default. But I think you should be able to use your default character from the vanilla campaign with all of the skills etc unlocked as the default option; if you want to create a new character, fine - but they should have all the skills maxed and unlocked.

you don’t send an elite soldier into a country to destabilise it, when they can’t use their night vision, thermal , can’t shoot straight or work with their team. It’s a pathetic, lazy game designers conceite.

And when you die, you should take over one of the remaining ghosts, until all 4 are dead. But obviously your team size is now reduced. If the us sends only 4 into an entire country, and 2 die, then it’s up to the 2 left to complete the new much harder mission.

and finally. Your character; either you’re original, or the one created, should be saved outside of the ‘slot’ so you d but have to create and customise them to your fav config, again and again, and again.

Just make a character and save them to a pool, and CHOOSE which to use for the ghost mode. Stop making us create and configure the same ghost over and over again.

and finally, the ammo, the only change ya load outs should be in the main campaign at all times. Not options. They would help train the ‘mindless younger run and gun’ generation to have to think about their actions, plan and take things slower; more risk, more reward.

[ReconDoc83]

Not to sound like an Ubi microtransaction salesperson. Again. But one way to mitigate some of the annoyance is to buy a weapon and accessory pack or two in the store so that you always start with the gear you prefer. More immersive that way as well since it makes more sense for elite operators to have their chosen gear before they even set foot in country instead of having to root through SB's rubbish to find dat ANPEQ15 you need to make your rifle look highspeed.

If you are fundamentally opposed to microtransactions, no worries, not trying to push it on anyone, but from my perspective it was a small price to pay to be sure I always start a new game in both vanilla and Ghost mode and in the two main story DLCs with my SCAR, G28, and FiveseveN.

I platinumed the game in extreme mode; I also literally own nearly every pack. But not all of your purchased items are available at the beginning of ghost mode...you in fact have to unlock some items that you purchased.

Not to mention the “no secondary weapon” when it comes to being able to carry your long gun and your assault rifle....

Like I said; I don’t mind losing things during an incomplete mission attempt, but everything you obtained during a successful mission completion should be retained.

[ReconDoc83]

One thing we've made sure to pass to the team is that players would like some of these Ghost Mode features to be separate from permadeath gameplay. I've also seen people mention a limited lives system instead of one-life permadeath.

This is the first time I've personally seen the idea of retaining progress between lives or some sort of progression system that persists through all Ghost Mode runs. Would you guys be interested in this?

Like I said; I don’t mind losing things during an incomplete mission attempt, but everything you obtained during a successful mission completion should be retained.

I mean what is the sense of spending inordinate amounts of time gathering skill points to obtain the various tree advancements, complete a mission, and then lose them all. You literally never gather enough skill points to complete the necessary skill trees.

Whatever you obtain in a successful mission completion should be kept. Anything obtained in the course of a failed mission, you must restore through the mission attempt.

[ReconDoc83]

“Pro-player” as in steps taken that favor the player VS favoring the AI.

Your interpretation of my statement has nothing to do with what I said or the context of the statement.

[ReconDoc83]

i think your post pointed out something critical...the whole ideology of "pro player"... i mean.. thats like ARMA level crap dude.. GR has never been nor probably ever will be "pro pleayer" level gaming.... good luck!

“Pro-player” as in steps taken that favor the player VS favoring the AI.

Your interpretation of my statement has nothing to do with what I said or the context of the statement.

[ReconDoc83]

To be brutally honest, my concern isn't for Ghost Mode or permadeath at this point. The only thing I really care about are the other features we have requested such as lone wolf, one primary, friendly fire and ammo management. Port those options over to the core game....I honestly don't see a problem with making these things options in the main game as most originally wanted in the first place.

Because the “core” game is two years old; and those of us who played the campaign from beta through day 1 platinumed the game a long time ago.

It’s nice to get a new mission every three months in an update (although I think the Predator, Splinter Cell and Siege characters were lazy, cheesy ways to do it; but the Peruvian connection and Unidad Conspiracy were great) to bring us back to the campaign for a bit...but when you have completed every mission in extreme mode, and made Tier1 almost a year ago...why bother with adding major adjustments to the game for “late comers”? That is why GM was created; to bring a new experience to the original campaign for those of us who have already completed it.

Doc

[BooN003]

I personally would have loved to see new game plus mode


So you basically start a new game with high level character with all of the "toys" as when you can utilize high level strategies (emp drones, high caliper snipers etc) from the beginning of the game, it does change your experience quite significantly