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[Charmzzz]

Exactly same as Raiders man everyone just dodge or parry but mostly dodge. Both chars are slow as hell. And I noted Shugo only coz Charmzz stated something about Arc and dmg �� many chars have wide arc and high dmg LB, HL, Kensei, Shugo, Raider etc. And everyone changing targets in TF still most ppl crying only coz Raider. This makes me laugh.

Get your facts straight please:

Raider Chained Zone is 1000ms and 50 unblockable Damage before Gear. It has very good tracking and dodging it in a Teamfight is very hard.
Shugoki Charged Heavy is 1600ms to get unblockable and deals 60 Damage before Gear.
Lawbringer? His side unblockable is the THIRD hit in a Light - Heavy - Heavy Chain, deals 45 Damage before Gear. 1100ms.
Kensei and Highlander dont have wide arc unblockables in their kit. Both have Top Heavy unblockables iirc.

Raider can just spam his Zone in any Teamfight after wiffing a Light. Shugoki and Lawbringer cannot do that.

[Felheric]

Exactly same as Raiders man everyone just dodge or parry but mostly dodge. Both chars are slow as hell. And I noted Shugo only coz Charmzz stated something about Arc and dmg �� many chars have wide arc and high dmg LB, HL, Kensei, Shugo, Raider etc. And everyone changing targets in TF still most ppl crying only coz Raider. This makes me laugh.

I mean you posted in my thread about this also, I replyed to you with example why it cant be compared to other classes (shugo and co)with they unblocklables yet you go to another thread and post same ****. I can see only 3 options now.
1) You are just trolling
2) You are in massive denial how your class is broken and massively abused in dominion.
3) You are using this tech like rest of 99% of raiders and dont want to be addressed as you getting huge damage and wins by it.

Would be really funny if there was statistic for how much damage is being done this season by raider zone to outside lock targets.
It deserve ubisoft attention for sure.

[Darkmight_cz]

Get your facts straight please:

Raider Chained Zone is 1000ms and 50 unblockable Damage before Gear. It has very good tracking and dodging it in a Teamfight is very hard.
Shugoki Charged Heavy is 1600ms to get unblockable and deals 60 Damage before Gear.
Lawbringer? His side unblockable is the THIRD hit in a Light - Heavy - Heavy Chain, deals 45 Damage before Gear. 1100ms.
Kensei and Highlander dont have wide arc unblockables in their kit. Both have Top Heavy unblockables iirc.

Raider can just spam his Zone in any Teamfight after wiffing a Light. Shugoki and Lawbringer cannot do that.

Ok facts Raider 50dmg yes but only as chain finisher. Also I have never said that Kensei have side unblockable I said Kensei coz he has wide arc HA side heavyes which can be used same as Raiders (lock another target). You know to use this mechanic it doesn't have to be UB side heavy, side heavy with huge arc is sufficient. HL don't have side heavy unblockable? Are you kidding me? Also yes Shugo is slower but my point is that all chars can use this tech (switching target) its just arc dependent. That's all so if someone cries to remove this from the game you have to remove it from all chars with large arc mostly 2h weapons 😉

Don't get me wrong Iam not here to defend Raiders zone. Iam just realistic and true is that Raider is not only char using this tech 😉

[SpaceJim12]

For instance LB side UB, Kensei side heavy etc so why everyone talks only about Raider

I wanted to post here how wrong you about it, but everyone already did this. Thank you, Charmzzz, Felheric.

still most ppl crying only coz Raider. This makes me laugh.

The thing, that makes me laugh, is how you try to convince us, that Raiders are bad and slow, and everyone could dodge/parry them. If this is true, whay everywhere in 4v4 so many Raiders? Why people type "**** this" in chat and leave, when see three Raiders in enemy team? I could tell you why. Cause this is too easy winner for Dominion. Three 180 gear score Raiders will show you better experience from this game ever:
1. Shoulder driving leassons. You don't need to fight in team fights, if you could just running around and do Stampede Charge, until you will take away someone to the ledge.
2. Zone spam, unlock zone spam etc

Two plus Raiders in Dominion is worst thing, that could happend to you. Only 3+ LB is worse.

[Charmzzz]

Ok facts Raider 50dmg yes but only as chain finisher. Also I have never said that Kensei have side unblockable I said Kensei coz he has wide arc HA side heavyes which can be used same as Raiders (lock another target). You know to use this mechanic it doesn't have to be UB side heavy, side heavy with huge arc is sufficient. HL don't have side heavy unblockable? Are you kidding me? Also yes Shugo is slower but my point is that all chars can use this tech (switching target) its just arc dependent. That's all so if someone cries to remove this from the game you have to remove it from all chars with large arc mostly 2h weapons ��

So what Chain Finisher? What's the argument there? All your examples are Chain Finishers, too, AND RAIDER CAN USE HIS ZONE EVEN FROM NEUTRAL...
You really compare BLOCKABLE wide arc Attacks to UNBLOCKABLES ones? Are you serious? Do I really have to explain the difference?
Highlander having side Unblockables? Yeah, in offensive stance. Try to get there in a Teamfight, Bro.

You are biased about your Raider even more than I am on my PK. Stop telling nonsense, your Main was and is Top 3 in 4v4 Modes almost since Release. He deserves a Nerf. Look at his 4v4 Winrates and tell me again that he is balanced.

Pathetic...

[Darkmight_cz]

So what Chain Finisher? What's the argument there? All your examples are Chain Finishers, too, AND RAIDER CAN USE HIS ZONE EVEN FROM NEUTRAL...
You really compare BLOCKABLE wide arc Attacks to UNBLOCKABLES ones? Are you serious? Do I really have to explain the difference?
Highlander having side Unblockables? Yeah, in offensive stance. Try to get there in a Teamfight, Bro.

You are biased about your Raider even more than I am on my PK. Stop telling nonsense, your Main was and is Top 3 in 4v4 Modes almost since Release. He deserves a Nerf. Look at his 4v4 Winrates and tell me again that he is balanced.

Pathetic...

Yes he can use zone from neutral for 29 dmg not 50.
Omfg he is in top of 4v4 only coz charge and UB not because his 1v1 capabilities where ge is lacking hard. Look at duel stats. And bro HL in 4v4 is usually in OS kicking, grabbing and throwing UB like crazy so...
So change his charge and buff him somewhere else to improve him in 1v1

[Charmzzz]

Yes he can use zone from neutral for 29 dmg not 50.
Omfg he is in top of 4v4 only coz charge and UB not because his 1v1 capabilities where ge is lacking hard. Look at duel stats.
So change his charge and buff him somewhere else to improve him in 1v1

True, he has both options. An easy accessible Unblockable with a wide Arc. No one else has this. And btw it is the hardest hitting Zone in the game. Unblockable. From neutral. And chained it is just ridiculous.

[Darkmight_cz]

True, he has both options. An easy accessible Unblockable with a wide Arc. No one else has this. And btw it is the hardest hitting Zone in the game. Unblockable. From neutral. And chained it is just ridiculous.

You still obey my major point here. If you OK let say "fix" target switching tech on Raider you have to do the same on all heroes across the board who are using the same tech. Do you get my point finally? And yes Raiders zone have highest dmg from neutral 29 also it's one of the slowest one compared to other heroes which have 20dmg zone but its lightning fast. 😉

[Charmzzz]

You compare UB wide arc Attack dealing 28/50 Damage to non-UB ones. Ok, I'm out.

[ChampionRuby50g]

>goes around calling other people pathetic, always is passive aggressive in tone
>gets offended when people act the way they do to him

+1 for logic

Raider zone seems to work at times, others not at all when you unlock it and then lock onto someone behind. I tested it earlier tonight and at times when the opponent I was locked on go was behind another enemy, the enemy in front could still parry but other times it just cleaned up both off them. Usually the opponents I fight would be able to parry a zone, as I play agaisnt them often and know their skill level, so it’s still broken, but seems to be work only under very specific conditions. This does need fixing ASAP though.