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[Darkmight_cz]

Just because certain character that i play does have better offensive options than some others doesnt mean my defense play magicaly gets worse. Quite the opposite, you will learn how to flow back and forth from agressive to defensive play and combine them properly. Thats not something you will properly learn on character that overly relies on defense because his offensive options are non existent. If your character got tools for both, offense and defense are not mutualy exclusive.

OK once more take it as my personal opinion and its off topic anyway 😉

[Darkmight_cz]

Uhm, you didnt get my Post at all... I dont give a fck about a Tierlist from any Pro Player, yes, but I take Winrates of Duel / Dominion in the Top 2.5 / 4% Bracket over a whole Season as pretty much proven statistics because, well, they are.

Conq 60% Winrate in Duel last Season - needs Nerf asap
PK was 58% in S4 - needed a Nerf, too, but they completely gimped her

I never said that PK did not need toning down. Go look, quote me on it, please... You wont find anything like that. She needed a Nerf, but that Nerf was too much. S7 Statistics will show, I am very sure about this.

You really think that LB and Raider need Buffs? Oh Bro, the Top 2 guys in Dominion for ages need NERFS. Look at their Winrates in Dom in S4 and 5. They will get nerfed, Devs already stated that in the last Season Recap.

I am talking about Dominon Balance as it is the most played Game Mode and when Breach is coming there is another highly anticipated 4v4 Mode. PK is trash in 4v4 after her Nerfs.

Btw, why nobody took my arguments and proved them wrong? Like Bleed being reduced by Debuff Reduction and no chance to compensate it for the PK? Cause Bleed is her Main Damage Source after her "Rework", you know...

I am crying because her Rework gave her NOTHING besides gimping her. Her playstyle is even more one-dimensional than before. I expected a good Rework, like Kensei, Zerker, Highlander or Orochi got. I dont want her to be god tier, I never stated that. What the actual fck are you talking about?

And the argument that a Character which was very strong over a long time "deserves" to be low is plain wrong. Reworks should balance Characters, not gamble with the S-or-Trash-Tier-Wheel...

First season 5 conq winrate 60% but guess who was second 😁 yes PK 57% so..

Second I don't get it why you compares duel vs 4v4 in case of LB and Raider but OK as you want. Duel LB 49% Raider 47% but in 4v4 PK placed 4th place so there you go with stats. So as you can see how PK was performing even in 4v4. So I do believe that LB or Raider need buff or rework more then PK.

And the argument that a Character which was very strong over a long time "deserves" to be low is plain wrong.
I have never said that. BTW PK isn't low at all. All Iam saying that PK is just fine right now. There is bunch other heroes who are underperforming and need rework or buff.

[We.the.North]

PK is perfectly fine at the moment.

The only players allowed to complain about hero buffs are Valk and Shugo.

[Charmzzz]

First season 5 conq winrate 60% but guess who was second �� yes PK 57% so..

Second I don't get it why you compares duel vs 4v4 in case of LB and Raider but OK as you want. Duel LB 49% Raider 47% but in 4v4 PK placed 4th place so there you go with stats. So as you can see how PK was performing even in 4v4. So I do believe that LB or Raider need buff or rework more then PK.

And the argument that a Character which was very strong over a long time "deserves" to be low is plain wrong.
I have never said that. BTW PK isn't low at all. All Iam saying that PK is just fine right now. There is bunch other heroes who are underperforming and need rework or buff.

Funny how you take Conq Winrate AFTER his Rework and compare it to PK Winrate BEFORE her Rework. But I just stop here, you will see what I am trying to say when the new Recap is available.

You really don't understand that the PK "Rework" was NOT a Rework, and that was what they sold us. It was Bugfix on her Soft-Feints and Dagger Cancel finally becoming useable. Rest was pure Nerfs. Her Light Chain is far worse than, e.g. Orochi NEW and BUFFED triple Light Chain. But hey, ignore the facts.

The thing with Raider and LB is that if you buff them for Duel, they will become even better in Dominion, too. And you won't do that to Characters being in the Top 3 Winrate in Dominion...

[We.the.North]

The thing with Raider and LB is that if you buff them for Duel, they will become even better in Dominion, too. And you won't do that to Characters being in the Top 3 Winrate in Dominion...

To be fair, Impale and Bombs is the only reason Lawbringer is that good in Dominion. If Impale Wallsplat only guaranteed a light attack (like how other charge move only deal about 30 damage total) and if the bombs are FINALLY nerfed, then Lawbringer is fine in Dominion and could receive a buff elsewhere so he becomes also balanced in duels.

[Charmzzz]

To be fair, Impale and Bombs is the only reason Lawbringer is that good in Dominion. If Impale Wallsplat only guaranteed a light attack (like how other charge move only deal about 30 damage total) and if the bombs are FINALLY nerfed, then Lawbringer is fine in Dominion and could receive a buff elsewhere so he becomes also balanced in duels.

I am not saying anything else, completely agree. But my point stands.

[Knight_Raime]

Pk isn't going to be touched because pk was just touched upon. Other heros need more attention first. She's not even in a bad spot. She only feels kinda "bad" when feats are in play due to being able to reduce bleed damage. Does that suck? sure. Does it make her automatically awful? No. Honestly the biggest smack she received was to her max punishes. And they were well deserved for being nerfed as hard as they were nerfed.
She didn't lose any kit functionality afaik. And she gained the ability to properly use soft feint GB in combos and a better dagger cancel. Plus she can dodge out of heavies now. And her zone is still as good as ever. even got a buff via the dagger cancel soft feint option.

She's still strong and honestly pk mains don't really have any room to complain. She's been nerfed repeatedly and is still really good. There are plenty of other heros who have been smacked by a nerf bat and are far worse off than she is. Examples? Goki, Centurion, Warden, Valk etc. Am I saying she shouldn't get revisited at some point? No. All heros even the better reworks like Kensei and Orochi can be touched up some. Realistically speaking the only hero who's been "reworked" that has any right to complain at this point is Nobushi.

I could understand "pk mains" being upset about the rework because it didn't address her op zone and didn't really go far enough to make her have a more fleshed out identity. But honestly this was bound to happen with a few reworks. Majority of the OG hero's have a poor identity and the reworks are only there to try and make those serviceable. Not give a proper identity. Pk's has always been about being ms stabby stabby with bleed. If they had gone just a bit farther and given her bleed a special property like basically all other heros have with their bleed it would have been 100% fine.

Was pk's rework good? No. But it was decent. and it certainly didn't destroy her. Even in 4's. I truly believe this complaining is just fall out of pk's not being the best hero anymore. She's not as big of a pick in 4's anymore. But I think that's more a combination of reworks as a whole combined with the fact that she doesn't delete people anymore with her absurd punishes. There are certainly more than a handful of worse picks in a team in 4's.

[Charmzzz]

I agree with you on a lot of points Knight_Raime, but not on this one.

Nobushi Rework was poor, too, I agree. But she can still do what she was designed for. PK can't. Her identity of being fast is outpaced by ALOT of other Heroes now. Only her Zone is still "good", but they nerfed it to 15 Damage so it was touched in her "Rework", too.

Her Deflect is bad. Her Damage being transfered to Bleed is really bad in 4v4 Modes. She does not have ANY move that forces a reaction from the opponent. She is much like Orochi, but Orochi got the triple Light Chain dealing more Damage with it. Even Light Damage got nerfed on PK. She does not get a Heavy from GB, but instead you are stuck with your triple Bleed which takes AGES and is interrupted on Damage.

Just compare all of that to other Heroes Moves. There is not one Move on PK which is not available to someone else in a better version.

[Knight_Raime]

I agree with you on a lot of points Knight_Raime, but not on this one.

Nobushi Rework was poor, too, I agree. But she can still do what she was designed for. PK can't. Her identity of being fast is outpaced by ALOT of other Heroes now. Only her Zone is still "good", but they nerfed it to 15 Damage so it was touched in her "Rework", too.

Her Deflect is bad. Her Damage being transfered to Bleed is really bad in 4v4 Modes. She does not have ANY move that forces a reaction from the opponent. She is much like Orochi, but Orochi got the triple Light Chain dealing more Damage with it. Even Light Damage got nerfed on PK. She does not get a Heavy from GB, but instead you are stuck with your triple Bleed which takes AGES and is interrupted on Damage.

Just compare all of that to other Heroes Moves. There is not one Move on PK which is not available to someone else in a better version.

Nobushi being able to still do hidden stance things isn't much to say. She's decent in 4's due to her zone and recovery cancel. But I wouldn't say that's much. And pk imo is a better pick than her for ganks.
We both know nerfing pk's zone damage didn't address it's issue. So it's still good. She's never needed to force a reaction. So bringing that up seems kinda pointless to mention. afaik pk was brought in 4's due to her absurd punishes and her ability to setup for ganks due to her gb holding people for allies whilst still being able to add damage in with her own stabs. Stalling out how long the person is held by a smidge.
this tactic was technically buffed with her being able to soft feint into gb from more things now.

She's not a damage power house anymore. I know this. But mechanically speaking the only significant nerf she received was her soft feint into GB being slightly slower now. Making it harder to catch certain specific moves in their recovery. I argue because she got mechanically better with soft feints and still retains her strengths of an amazing zone and decent light attack speeds (with little telegraph on the follow up stab) that she's still decent.

We can agree to disagree if you like. But it's impossible to argue that there are far worse heros compared to her in the game at the moment. Even if she was dropped out of A tier in 4's that's not really the biggest deal for her as a hero overall.

[Darkmight_cz]

First of stats which i used are all from one chart table and thats official Ubisoft win/loss matrix for season 5 see for yourself






Also i competly agree with statment of Knight_Raime. Pk is completly viable even after so called rework.And as i said there is bunch of other heroes who are underperforming at the moment and need rework or buff.
Also i would like to say that LB and Raider are good in dominion only coz their capabilities to ledge people off the cliff certainly not because their 1v1 capabilities as you can see from duel win chart. In case of LB also coz OP knight feats. I reply to this tread only because Maxime_qc spaming forum with this topic like crazy. Last topic is 3 days old so it pisses me off. Pk is viable even in her current state. Sorry for my english iam bit tired today from work hopefully you will understand my points. :-D