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[Cadeau123]

Kensei is Overpowered

Why do i think this? Well maybe because he/she's a Heavy Mix-up addict, Many of her heavy attacks are really hard to parry.

Ok so lets start with the mix-up's. Kensei's heavies are so ********. For example the Unblockable he does overhead.You try to parry it and get hit by a heavy attack from the side which does alot of damage. Or you dont try to parry it and you get even more ****ed by the unblockable. I know people will come with crap like "You gotta get better timing" or "Just get better at blocking". But that's not the point. It shouldnt be up to a flip of a coin if you will get ****ed or even more ****ed. And if i'm not wrong, she has even more mix-ups than this. Like switching from a heavy to a light. You shouldnt be punished for trying to parry heavies.

And now lets talk about her Heavy attacks being hard to parry. The thing about her heavies are that the time you get to parry is really off, Like it showing up either to early or to late for the character to hit you. Especially her Heavy dodge attack and her unblockable. Her dodge always seem to appear way to late because it looks like she's gonna hit and then she does an extra jump (The animation) and then hits. And the Unblockable is just so weird to predict because the Dance she does with her sword is so slow so you often try to parry before it actually hits, And she can just switch to a heavy out of nowhere.

And again i know all of these things can be "Fixed" if i just get alot better at timing and predicting but you cant just force for example new players to learn all of that crap when they just started playing.
There are alot of other stuff aswell as her Feats that make all of her attacks unblockable for a moment and that kind of crap.

Thoughts?

[xTheBurgerMan]

git gud lol

[Cadeau123]

How fricking dare you say that? Do you think for honor is a freaking game people play to have fun? No! How freeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaking stupid to you have to be?

[Jmoyano92]

Kensei is fine. Centurion and Orochi are the most broken characters right now by far.

[UbiJurassic]

At this time there aren't any announced changes coming to Kensei. The team has expressed that the Kensei's dodge attack is strong right now and may look to balance it in the a future patch though.

[Cadeau123]

Kensei is fine. Centurion and Orochi are the most broken characters right now by far.

I dont really think Orochi is Broken, I dont see much broken except maybe the light spams or the really fast vortex. And i can see how Cent would be "Broken". But there isnt much i would consider hard to deal with except if the cent maybe turtles or spams maybe the same abilities over and over.

[Spiinight666]

Orochi is currently busted or at least one of her moves are overtuned her lights the thing with orochi is that you dont ever see a orochi do a regular feint with a regular heavy cause all they do is dodge attack and light spam and her light spam is really stupid is like 22 damage or something close to that on a move that is hard to react to and if they miss that they can just use their zone which is also super fast doing a decent amount of damage talking about cent i dont think he is busted atm i just think he is too much of a one trick type situation he just parry baits waits for one parry and half healths you you can counter him by just kinda turtling and only parrying his charged heavies and his jump but everything else is just kinda eh his heavies are quick and annoying but thats about it and his kick is really easy to dodge but they need to make it so that ever hero can punish him on a missed kick not just heros with dodge attacks

[Vakris_One]

Kensei is Overpowered

Why do i think this? Well maybe because he/she's a Heavy Mix-up addict, Many of her heavy attacks are really hard to parry.

His heavy attacks are some of the slowest in the entire game which can trip you up if you're used to parrying fast attacks. You need to practice their timing if they're giving you trouble.

Ok so lets start with the mix-up's. Kensei's heavies are so ********. For example the Unblockable he does overhead.You try to parry it and get hit by a heavy attack from the side which does alot of damage. Or you dont try to parry it and you get even more ****ed by the unblockable. I know people will come with crap like "You gotta get better timing" or "Just get better at blocking". But that's not the point. It shouldnt be up to a flip of a coin if you will get ****ed or even more ****ed.

It's not a flip of the coin. You need to be patient and wait a bit to read him correctly. Learn to not react too early. Practice against the Kensei bot in training arena, set it up to do the unblockable finisher mixup on a loop so you can get used to the timing of exactly when he can no longer soft cancel out of the top Unblockable. That way you will learn the point at which it becomes safe to parry the unblockable and you will be much more confident against this mixup.

Be calm and patient and don't react too early and you will be in a much better position to react and counter his unblockable finisher mixup.

And if i'm not wrong, she has even more mix-ups than this. Like switching from a heavy to a light. You shouldnt be punished for trying to parry heavies.

Yes you should. If you aren't prepared to feint out of your parry attempt you should expect your opponent to punish you for that. Even heroes without access to a soft feint can do it to you with a hard feint followed by a quick light.

With Kensei the key thing in parrying him is not to react too early unless you are absolutely sure that he will commit to the attack he throws. Otherwise you hold tight and wait to react to his soft cancel.

And now lets talk about her Heavy attacks being hard to parry. The thing about her heavies are that the time you get to parry is really off, Like it showing up either to early or to late for the character to hit you. Especially her Heavy dodge attack and her unblockable. Her dodge always seem to appear way to late because it looks like she's gonna hit and then she does an extra jump (The animation) and then hits. And the Unblockable is just so weird to predict because the Dance she does with her sword is so slow so you often try to parry before it actually hits, And she can just switch to a heavy out of nowhere.

This means you're reacting purely based on when you see the red indicator appear. This may work against faster heroes whose attacks come out at about the same time as the red indicator appears but it will lead you astray against slower attacks like Kensei's, Highlanders, Shugoki's, etc. Fooling you into throwing out a parry way too early.

Learn to watch the opponent's body movement during an attack and the blade of their weapon as it comes toward you instead of just the indicator. You'll be much less likely to be fooled into making an incorrect parry attempt. Relying on the red indicators will only get you so far. It's like when Obi Wan tells Luke to stop relying on his targeting computer to make the shot that killed the first Death Star. This is one of the major skill gaps that seperates the really good players from the rest. It takes time and a fair amount of effort to master but once you do you will be a cut above most average players.

And again i know all of these things can be "Fixed" if i just get alot better at timing and predicting but you cant just force for example new players to learn all of that crap when they just started playing.

That's why there is a training mode. As well as doing PvAI matches to build up your reflexes. You should also try completing the campaign on realistic setting as it really helps get you acclimatised to not relying on the red indicators for your deflect and parry timings. Without indicators you will get used to the "true" parry timings of all the moves.

There are alot of other stuff aswell as her Feats that make all of her attacks unblockable for a moment and that kind of crap.

Take it one step at a time. Focus on handling her attacks without feats first. Then you can start working on strategies to nullify her unblockable feat. It's not as bad as the one shot kill feats like Catapult or Spear Storm or the Viking flame bomb for example. You can at least always run away from a Kensei who pops their unblockable feat, he's too slow to run after you.

Thoughts?

Spend some time and effort learning the character that's giving you trouble. Don't just assume that they're unfair simply because you as a new player cannot immediately grind them into dust or quickly spot and exploit their weaknesses like a veteran player would be able to.

With enough time and experience you will eventually be able to handle yourself against most if not all of the roster. But you can't expect everything to be given to you on a silver platter after the 4 hour mark. This game requires a tad more commitment than that.

Happy learning and stay positive.

[Jmoyano92]

Please guys shut up because Kensei is pretty fine now. If you dont know how to deal with it just go into the training mode. There are characters that need real improvements or reworks like the Orochi or Centurion. So leave those who are already fine at peace.

[Melikethegames]

kensei its overpower his dodge attack its heavy his
give 26 or 28 dmg with heavy attack

it dodge attack was really fast and kensei its not asssain

kensei need nerf