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[bannex19]

Soft feints have ruined this game, they should cost a ton of stamina. Kensei and shaman are the worst offenders. Remove soft feints, they offer no compelling gameplay, just unpredictable, unreactable spam fest.

[jmac70]

Not true. You would rather have no soft faints? that means the fighting won't be as fluent and the combat would be more clunky. I think I sense some salt here everyone

[bannex19]

Soft feints require no skill to pull off. You should have to input all feints. Soft feints shouldn't be removed, they should be costly like zone.

[SpaceJim12]

Soft feints require no skill to pull off. You should have to input all feints. Soft feints shouldn't be removed, they should be costly like zone.

Well, I compared somewhere here, how new soft feints and old feints works. Old feints are mostly hard feints at first. So require one more button to do. Soft feints were good, when started. Like HL soft feint opener. But with reworks, new chars...soft feints become to easy to do. Kensei pommel strike is just push gb button after heavy! Too easy, too fast. Same with Shaman soft feints.
But I see even more soft feints from upcomming characters, so I don't think Ubi will change it.

[Knight_Raime]

You've peaked as a player and seek to blame the game rather than your own short comings. Soft feints are reactable. Just like 90% of the things in the game are.
There are also no skillful inputs in the game. You're just trying to fluff your non existent point. You're just raging.

[SpaceJim12]

There are also no skillful inputs in the game.

Still, you have to know timings to do Shinobi combo with kneeled, and it's require 6 buttons input. Maybe not so skillful for Shino mains, but still need some work. HL Caber Toss need some hard inputs.
Kensei pommel strike just ask you to spam GB button after heavy animation started. Same with Conq shield bash instead of heavy. This moves shouldn't be that easy, or should require a lot of stamina, I agree with OP here.

[Alustar.exe]

Without soft feints we go back to a horribly defensive style that we saw at the beginning. Soft feints exist to enable aggressive play styles. As Raime said, they are countered easily enough with practice. When I fight players of higher rep, even my shaman soft feints only go so far.

[Arekonator]

Literally entire game is just pressing buttons. Making overly complicated inputs for pretty simple moves serves no practical purpose. Now you could argue that some soft feints are too fast or strong or whatever, but you chosen kensei, which is entirely reactable by even mediocre players and only time when he trips you up is when you try to parry every single indicator. Gets the point across pretty well.

[SpaceJim12]

Now you could argue that some soft feints are too fast or strong or whatever, but you chosen kensei, which is entirely reactable by even mediocre players and only time when he trips you up is when you try to parry every single indicator. Gets the point across pretty well.

Well, maybe I'm on a very bad level of play now, but 80% of players I met can't dodge pommel strike. Sure if I will spam it again and again, they will.
I never said it's unreactable or something. Just said, that I understand why OP made this thread.
And I think, that if some chars have this kind of softfeints now, why can't everybody? If you try heavy>cancel>shove on LB I think 80% of people will dodge it. Why LB can't have same softfeint? I want start heavy and than just spam GB bitton to instant shove. I could guarantee, that noone will like it except LB mainers.
Sometimes people here don't want to see whole picture, just come to some threads to be arrogant with someone, who not played this game every day since launch and used to count every ms in every attacks.

[Arekonator]

Well, maybe I'm on a very bad level of play now, but 80% of players I met can't dodge pommel strike. Sure if I will spam it again and again, they will.
I never said it's unreactable or something. Just said, that I understand why OP made this thread.
And I think, that if some chars have this kind of softfeints now, why can't everybody? If you try heavy>cancel>shove on LB I think 80% of people will dodge it. Why LB can't have same softfeint? I want start heavy and than just spam GB bitton to instant shove. I could guarantee, that noone will like it except LB mainers.
Sometimes people here don't want to see whole picture, just come to some threads to be arrogant with someone, who not played this game every day since launch and used to count every ms in every attacks.

OP said in very first post that its "unreactable and unpredictable".
Most reworked characters DO have some kind of softfeint, bringing LB into this means you are comparing pre-rework and post-rework characters, which is wrong for obvious reasons.
And for the record, i think most people would be more than happy if LB got heavy>shove soft feint instead of blockshove.