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    The Ravaging Rogue Solution:

    The Ravaging Rogue Solution:


    If you go Rogue you lose access to all SHD support and the only things you have is your gun and current gear: You cannot go Rogue then come back to then re-join the division with open arms after slaughtering your fella agents in the DZ or Assassination Alert, then you leave the DZ all yours sins are forgiven and your free to access all BOO perks and skills and all the tech that comes with it, that’s just dumb.



    When we were hunting HVT’s which included Rogue agents we didn’t then hear them on the radio giving us advice on how to bring down the LMB no they lost all comms and then perks that come with it, you are Rogue and deserve nothing from the division but death and loneliness you’re a sick bastard. You’ve chosen to kill your brothers in arms for no other reason than blood shed to laugh at them as you stand over their body, you deserve to be hunted, alienated, cut off from the division for life however…...

    BOO & Scalabilities:
    In D1 your special abilities, optimization, recalibration, etc. we are all linked back to the BOO, hence you spent the 1st part of the game reaching level 30 and unlocking the perks associated with the BOO e.g. support station, turrets, first aid, etc. And all associated tech you get from being an agent should be a no brainer. Fighting to save humanity and restoring order is and should be your ambition, however for you sick bastards whom like to kill people and live only to ridicule and kill others then if you decide to go Rogue , its Rogue for live meaning any perks you get from being an agent of the division and its BOO, etc. ,you lose all access to any associated tech and gear basically you are not cut off from the division for life however….., go luck on your own. Now you’re a Rogue Agent:



    once you’ve decided to leave the division and go it alone, you keep the gear and weapons you are caring. Your watch/beacons e.g. all agent related identifiers now glow Bright RED or Bright Purple indicating they you’ve been disassociated from the division and you are now MFD “Marked for Death” however likewise an orange indicator informs Rogue s that your still an agent and MFD.

    You can still do missions and run in the open world, but you are on your own servers and you’ll never encounter another division agent unless in the DZ (PvP DZ, not PvE DZ another discussion altogether). You are aligned with other Rogue players and any gear you get from completed missions are yours to keep however you’ll get no help from BOO and the perks associated with it.


    Remember you are Rogue so friendly fire is always on and you may join up with other Rogue agents to complete mission but once the mission is done, this doesn't mean they can’t turn on you and take what’s yours or should I say free for all as you are Rogue and this is the life you have chosen. You can only trigger this option of Rogue life once you've hit level 30 so at least this way you get to choose a speciality, get some decent gear, etc. and this option is open to you at this level only, so you’re not hindered during future encounters or levelling up.

    Gearing Up:
    Completing mission both open world and incursions, etc. are the same and the NPC gear drops are yours to keep or share as you cannot buy anything from safe house however you can trade with NCP camps (if this is an option in D2), and you can raid NCP camps to steal their gear, but this triggers an “Assassination Alert (optional)” (more on this in the next chapter). From the look of things e.g. YouTube D2 game play vids you get gear and level up by doing missions, good deeds for civilians and obviously looting caches and killing NCPs and collecting their drops so there is a lot of gear to be had and its seems you unlock gear perks from doing the aforementioned so no need for recalibration or optimization (and yes I know we only know a little about the game overall) so if this is the case then being Rogue will not be to hard on you gear and gun wise as the aforementioned covers this progression so you not hindered in any way.






    Returning to the fold optional
    If you chose to trade honestly with civilians and help them out, you Rogue meter goes down and at some point, you have a chance to return to the division, but you cannot go Rogue again its either Rogue for life or learn from your errors and return once completing good deeds

    Assassination Alerts optional
    If you as a Rogue agent do anything to harm a civilian or civilian enclave you become a target for division agents in the open world and you have 20 mins to get away and try and stay alive. If you are spotted by a division agent your location is automatically beaconed on the map (like in the DZ) so other division agents can see your location and hunt you down like the dirty dog you are, likewise other Rogue agents can come to your aid or hunt you down, however if you escape you keep all gear and if you caught and kill you lose all that you’ve looted nothing else. This is a time limited open world event and is only triggered if a Rogue agent attacks a civilian enclave unlike the DZ which is Rogue for life

    How to code this Implementation:
    This is my very limited programming skills at work however you get the idea; basically, aligning agents with agents and Rogue s with Rogue s and neither the twain shell meet unless in the DZ or Assassination Alert optional.

    Open World: If <Player1> is = <Agent> then <Friendly_Fire> is equal to = OFF else If <player2> is = <Rogue > then <Friendly_Fire> for <Agent> & <Rogue > = ON until <death_of_player> however then <environment> is = <DZ> or <AA>;

    Open World: Assassination Alert optional.
    If <Player> is = <Rogue > and <Rogue > attacks <civilian> then <Friendly_Fire> is equal to = OFF for <AAtime>; if <Rogue > = <death> during <AAtime> then <loot> = <droploot> and <friendly_fire> = OFF
    (AATime is a predefined time constraint equal to 20mins)

    Matchmaking:
    If <Player1> = <Agent1> and <Player2> is = to <Agent2> then <MatchMaking> is equal to = ON else If <player1> = Rogue and <Player2> is = to <Rogue > then <MatchMaking> = On else if <player1> is = <Rogue > and <player2, 3, 4> is equal to <Agent1, 2, 3> then <MatchMaking> is = to Off.
    Basically, you are making sure the agents and Rogue are never matched together

    Summarization:
    This is just my thoughts on the Rogue situation as I don’t agree you can go Rogue then return to the division without a conscience or consequences, it just not right. So, my outlined solution is just away of adding an additional dimension to the game for those whom enjoy Rogue life and hunting Rogue .

    If you enjoy Rogue life then this is something to embrace and you can have you own environment to hunt and kill leaving us PvE players to freely enjoy the game without having to deal with constant BS from PvP players, its win win for everyone. This can easily be achieved it basically taking survival which has PvE and PvP options and applying it to overall game from a Rogue perspective with consequences.
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    Might I suggest a quick find and replace? You have misspelled "Rogue" with "Rouge" a total of 42 times and it really takes the shine of an otherwise good and creative post. I really like your thinking outside the box. Toggling Rogue should definitely have consequences and it's worth a discussion.
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    Banned From Division For Cheating? They ALL Rage/Reported Me - RIP Division! SOLO Manhunt


    broken netcode, broken servers = approved cheat.
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    Originally Posted by AdmiralLW Go to original post
    Banned From Division For Cheating? They ALL Rage/Reported Me - RIP Division! SOLO Manhunt


    broken netcode, broken servers = approved cheat.
    This is a big problem with regards cheating but not so much for the majority of rogues. Lets not forget there are legit players who go rogue.
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    OP youve gone into too much detail. Let the developers develop. Let us (the customers) define out requirements. Afterall they are making the game for "all" of us!

    Ive said it before that the rogue option in dz play just needs one central tweak. A notoriety meter. Fail to kill anyone who say you as a rogue and there is a chance that when that agent makes it to a checkpoint the rogue becomes known. Once they are known as rogue they lose their ability to use safehouses and checkpoints in the area they were seen and reported. Then over time if there arent anymore successful reports of them going rogue the meter starts to fall. If there are more reports, then their notoriety begins to propagate across the dz from area to area. In addition if they are seen and reported as rogues elsewhere then the safehouses and checkpoints in those areas go out of bounds.

    I would also suggest that reporting a "known rogue" isnt automatic. It should be a % chance depending on how long the encounter was. How close they were to them. If seen by more than one agent (in a group). etc. That % rises the longer, closer the rogue was.

    If the rogue(s) die then they are not reported. If the rogue winds down their counter or runs off a manhunt then there is no chance..... they simple got away with it.

    Over time the notoriety is reduced every day/hr if the player does not go rogue.

    Id also like to see the rogues not be able to leave the dz except through any checkpoints or safehses they are unknown in. IF they are known as rogue in every single safehse or ckpt then they can only leave either when they die or lose their notoriety level in one of those areas.

    I would also suggest a safe area not available to non-rogues that the player can park their character when they log off. There should also be more lootable consumables in the dz as containers and drops from dead npcs/players to balance out an agent staying rogue infinitely.

    From waht I can remember of what I posted somewhere in TD1 subfora.
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    We all have options and opinions on this but you cannot argue for one minute that PVP in the DZ changed the whole games experience, as players either left the division or never returned to the DZ as players help bent on killing others and that's it, ignoring missions, contaminated zones, etc. So to consider this OP is a bit harsh as paying £60 for a game and then abandoning it or using 1/2 the content and even forcing the Developers rework how the DZ world is proof enough for me. Rogue for life or like Destiny create a proving ground and the the pvp agents test simulation the urge to kill withouit effecting the game. This destiny is the perfect example of pvp done right without compromising the whole game and causing 3 years of out rage
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    i like you dedication however if this one word stops you enjoying the post or offends you sense of appreciating it's vision, well it is what it is.

    God Speed
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    its not about going rogue or not however if you do its about the consequences of doing so and in D1 you had none, which was stupid as you could kill agents then benefit from the tech associated with doing to help people against the very threat that cause agents to exist in the first place. Keener and other got disillusioned and left there for fore-fitting all access to any SHD tech and resources however us as agent get to kill agents with repercussions.

    Its about balance and choice and living with the choice as a team or as a rogue, the choice is yours and you pay the price for your actions just like the LMB, Rioters and Rogue Agents you cannot have one without the other and this is how you learn from D1.
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    i like you dedication however if this one word stops you enjoying the post or offends you sense of appreciating it's vision, well it is what it is.

    God Speed
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    Originally Posted by corpcaleceo Go to original post
    i like you dedication however if this one word stops you enjoying the post or offends you sense of appreciating it's vision, well it is what it is.

    God Speed
    You know you can quote/multiquote other posts, if you are referring to them, right? There is also a way to edit a post in case you want to make changes or additions!

    All the best!
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