That's just some dumb logic right there... some heros cant deal damage without and some are apart of a chain. The only way a lb and warlord can open turtles is with his shove, valks sweep us part of her chain, the conk cant cancel heavys the only think he can do is soft faint them into a shield bash. They shouldn't be punished for using there kit to the full advantage.Originally Posted by Halvtand Go to original post