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[Lunatic LK47]

Again predator is not part of the timeline.



Stealth part is really easy, this is not a stealth game but it does have stealth mechanics and gadgets that can actually allow you to sneak in, even on trailers and gameplays they show it as an option, that people do not have the patience or even the ability is not the game fault. On the defend here thing yes, it is difficult, thanks to the open world, countless enemies always respawn, it should’ve been more limited but again easy to go through if you plan everything a head.



Outfits, not characters, a very different thing.

Now on Kozak, here is the way they mention him:

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Kozak in 2019 would’ve been 21, you can sign in on the military at 17. Now it isn’t strange for him to be part of The Ghosts as they do not have to follow the Army's policy given the unique nature of the unit. The same thing happened to Alicia Diaz, Army policy did not allow her to serve in any combat MOS including special operations, but The Ghosts didn’t care and she was welcome with open arms, the same could happened to Kozak, maybe he was good at something and it was worth to have him at young age

Is not like you have to reach a certain rank and you become a Ghost lol, they have certain requirements.



Oh, I only read the HAWX part, I ignored everything else. Sorry about that.

Now to answer your question is really easy, there is no confirmation that I remember of, the closes to a confirmation was what a dev said about The Division, wasn’t part of the Tom Clancy Timeline, which includes, HAWX/SC/Ghost Recon/EndWar/Rainbow Six.

While there isn’t a spoken confirmation however, the connectivity was confirmed on RS Las Vegas 2, in both Elements Hotel and Casino and Nevada Desert missions, you are working with a Splinter Cell, they mention him as NSA agent, he uses the same equipment Fisher uses except with two dots instead of three, which makes sense because at the time, the only agent with three dots was Sam Fisher (this can be seen on the coop agents from Chaos Theory and ShadowNet agents in Double Agent)

But everything else is spot on, also team Rainbow is working with the NSA at the beginning of Old Vegas mission (reason why you are working with that Splinter Cell later)

Meaning that if there is a connection between Rainbow Six and Splinter Cell it means is obviously connected to both Ghost Recon and HAWX.

Sadly Rainbow Sxi Siege doesn't have a story anymore.

Uh, one tiny little problem with that NSA agent in Vegas 2: It was Nowak in disguise, so his 3rd Echelon ties are extra sketchy.

[crowlecj]

[QUOTE=LoneSpymaster;13561493]Again predator is not part of the timeline.



Stealth part is really easy, this is not a stealth game but it does have stealth mechanics and gadgets that can actually allow you to sneak in, even on trailers and gameplays they show it as an option, that people do not have the patience or even the ability is not the game fault. On the defend here thing yes, it is difficult, thanks to the open world, countless enemies always respawn, it should’ve been more limited but again easy to go through if you plan everything a head.



Outfits, not characters, a very different thing. ]

So we are clear, your agreeing that the developers have't respected staying in their own storyline(referring to predator)? And thus wouldn't be illogical of me to think that means we can't count out a division theme? Are you seeing what I'm getting at?

Also thank you for saying that this is NOT a stealth game. I'm fairly sure if you threw any diversion lures/simulators or flares on the splintercell mission it gave you up but I don't remember 100%, so I'm not 100% on that.

Also nice copy paste job from the wiki lols...

uhh what year are you living in its still 2018... and even then those recordings dropped in 2017 when GR did, making him 19 when they are talking about him, at the oldest. I never said anything about rank, but usually you have more than 2 tours of combat before being inducted into the most elite special forces in the world, or am I wrong? Yeah ok Ubi. I really think your grasping at straws here at this point. But lets back up, I'm not saying it won't happen because as I've been trying to make clear: ubi hasn't cared about keeping consistent timelines or storylines. All im saying is if your going to apply the standard of being cohesive with tom clancy timelines and storylines you should apply that same standard to your own. So it's definitely not out of the picture, avoiding be hypocritical. I mean hey, you have your opinion I have mine, I personally don't think you gave compelling evidence and I'm sure you didn't think I did either. We both want it to happen so why don't we just end it at that.

[LoneSpymaster]

Uh, one tiny little problem with that NSA agent in Vegas 2: It was Nowak in disguise, so his 3rd Echelon ties are extra sketchy.

I know, I just didn’t want to spoil anything, that’s why I didn’t mention Nowak lol

That doesn’t mean however, it wasn’t an actual SC, obviously Nowak, killed the real agent the NSA send. Because there is no other way to explain why he has Splinter Cell gear.

The ties are sufficient, not perfect but sufficient. In my opinion anyway lol.

So we are clear, your agreeing that the developers have't respected staying in their own storyline(referring to predator)? And thus wouldn't be illogical of me to think that means we can't count out a division theme? Are you seeing what I'm getting at?

No, I agree the predator isn’t part of the timeline, so they have respected that timeline because even in game they said it, the predator thing never happened.

[Also thank you for saying that this is NOT a stealth game. I'm fairly sure if you threw any diversion lures/simulators or flares on the splintercell mission it gave you up but I don't remember 100%, so I'm not 100% on that.

No, it doesn’t give you away, flares yeah because that’s the point of the flares, but diversion lures do not give you away. Not because a game has some “Stealth” elements, doesn’t mean it is a stealth game, however the mechanics in this game, are enough to play it as such.

[Also nice copy paste job from the wiki lols...

I read that wiki a lot, I do not copy paste anything from it, everything comes out of my mind because everything from that wiki comes from video game and novel source, things I already played/read.
The game is called Ghost Recon 2 and the novel TC’s Ghost Recon.

[uhh what year are you living in its still 2018... and even then those recordings dropped in 2017 when GR did, making him 19 when they are talking about him, at the oldest. I never said anything about rank, but usually you have more than 2 tours of combat before being inducted into the most elite special forces in the world, or am I wrong? Yeah ok Ubi.

Did you even read? Ghost Recon Wildlands takes place in 2019. I was talking about in game year not real life year. Wildlands takes place in 2019, which means that Kozak in 2019 is 21 years old. Yes you are wrong again, because the Ghost’s do not follow Army policy.

But to end this here, I’m not going to continue, as this is going to be endless and isn’t worth it because is out of topic.

[crowlecj]

I know, I just didn’t want to spoil anything, that’s why I didn’t mention Nowak lol

That doesn’t mean however, it wasn’t an actual SC, obviously Nowak, killed the real agent the NSA send. Because there is no other way to explain why he has Splinter Cell gear.

The ties are sufficient, not perfect but sufficient. In my opinion anyway lol.

No, I agree the predator isn’t part of the timeline, so they have respected that timeline because even in game they said it, the predator thing never happened.

No, it doesn’t give you away, flares yeah because that’s the point of the flares, but diversion lures do not give you away. Not because a game has some “Stealth” elements, doesn’t mean it is a stealth game, however the mechanics in this game, are enough to play it as such.

I read that wiki a lot, I do not copy paste anything from it, everything comes out of my mind because everything from that wiki comes from video game and novel source, things I already played/read.
The game is called Ghost Recon 2 and the novel TC’s Ghost Recon.

Did you even read? Ghost Recon Wildlands takes place in 2019. I was talking about in game year not real life year. Wildlands takes place in 2019, which means that Kozak in 2019 is 21 years old. Yes you are wrong again, because the Ghost’s do not follow Army policy.

But to end this here, I’m not going to continue, as this is going to be endless and isn’t worth it because is out of topic.

man your one of those people that really can't let things go and never admit he's wrong despite glaring evidence... lols I know exactly the type of person im dealing with

[Paladinrja]

Nowak was in disguise, yes; but the gear was most definitely not 3rd Echelon, nor did he kill a 3rd Echelon operator. It was just a disguise.

3rd (now 4th) Echelon, are totally off the radar. You wouldn't know of one of it's members whereabouts until you were tasked to support. Which is rare. -- So you wouldn't be able to locate one to kill, and if you did, so many people would be in the loop, Nowak woulda been apprehended or dead before R6 ever saw him again.

Obviously he's learnt about 3rd Echelon, their ties to the NSA and just created a disguise that mimics one of it's members. Not hard to do.

You don't just pop together a kevlar casing suit, that's able to help resist (even mitigate) different damage types, and absorb kinetic energy. That a person can also survive wearing for protracted periods of time. -- If just anyone could replicate the jumpsuit, then every soldier would be wearing something mass produced, with a similar spec, for body armour.

[LoneSpymaster]

Nowak was in disguise, yes; but the gear was most definitely not 3rd Echelon, nor did he kill a 3rd Echelon operator. It was just a disguise.

3rd (now 4th) Echelon, are totally off the radar. You wouldn't know of one of it's members whereabouts until you were tasked to support. Which is rare. -- So you wouldn't be able to locate one to kill, and if you did, so many people would be in the loop, Nowak woulda been apprehended or dead before R6 ever saw him again.

Obviously he's learnt about 3rd Echelon, their ties to the NSA and just created a disguise that mimics one of it's members. Not hard to do.

You don't just pop together a kevlar casing suit, that's able to help resist (even mitigate) different damage types, and absorb kinetic energy. That a person can also survive wearing for protracted periods of time. -- If just anyone could replicate the jumpsuit, then every soldier would be wearing something mass produced, with a similar spec, for body armour.

But didn’t the NSA send that agent? How did Nowak manage to fool everyone?

That’s why I had my theory of him killing the actual NSA agent. I know they never said this in game but is just a theory lol, at the end is not secret that a lot of Splinter Cell agents end up dead anyway, at least on the first two novels of Splinter Cell they make this clear, there is a group that knows everything about Splinter Cell including their identity.

Even though the suit he uses is not very visible, I believe it is similar to the one Splinter Cell’s use.

I need to go back and play them to be sure about what and how stuff happens lol but whatever the case is, Rainbow Six is related to Splinter Cell and i think we all agree on that.

[Paladinrja]

But didn’t the NSA send that agent? How did Nowak manage to fool everyone?

That’s why I had my theory of him killing the actual NSA agent. I know they never said this in game but is just a theory lol, at the end is not secret that a lot of Splinter Cell agents end up dead anyway, at least on the first two novels of Splinter Cell they make this clear, there is a group that knows everything about Splinter Cell including their identity.

Even though the suit he uses is not very visible, I believe it is similar to the one Splinter Cell’s use.

I need to go back and play them to be sure about what and how stuff happens lol but whatever the case is, Rainbow Six is related to Splinter Cell and i think we all agree on that.

Well, yeah.. 3E, R6 & GR are all related. In as far as they are advented upon the concept of a Cold,War era republished to meet emerging threats; rather than effervesce the way it really did.

R6 are your anti-terrorist urban response group (SASR). GR are pretty much an evolution of Delta, they're all about the big battles and global threat deep covert response. -- The Echelon initiative is like a lot of the contra groups that were spawned during the Cold War spy master era. Whom generally get their kick starter from whatever agency or government and then are expected to fund their own operations under a charter, autonomously. -- Due to the highly displaced nature of these groups, they are just as likely to be targeted by whatever government set them up, as they are by counter organisation's.

Apart from the obvious reason why there was a MGS reference in the latest mission? -- FoxConn are a 1970's era, similar group. -- Regarding 3rd Echelon. I don't think there was ever more than one operator at a time (like Sam). They had a decent cadre of members though. -- In contrast as 4th Echelon there is only Grim & Sam left, and the command crew of the 'Paladin' aerial command center (which I think first shows up in Conviction) and is featured in Blacklist. -- Ya gotta remember that the revision number of Echelon is how many restarts the group has had since inception.

Nowak himself was a tipple agent, so who knows where in that cross-section he learnt about the Echelon initiative. I doubt it was Morales. If he even was truly mimicking Sam or something else he interpreted entirely. -- It's possible (however unlikely) that he tracked down a NSA agent attached to a 3E OP and simply went through their data. Which is also a way to construct a temporary IDent.

The Coyotes were just one group out of the Mexican region but I'm reminded of how Lydia and Boquita were sh!tying themselves in response to the Mexican cartels, which even had Sueno sweating. There's more to that association than people think.